1. Subscribersonhouse
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    23 Jul '18 13:14
    https://www.wired.com/story/meet-the-woman-who-rocked-particle-physicsthree-times/

    Amazing story.
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    23 Jul '18 18:52
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    https://www.wired.com/story/meet-the-woman-who-rocked-particle-physicsthree-times/

    Amazing story.
    Sau Lan Wu should not be confused with Chien-Shiung_Wu, another woman physicist
    of Chinese heritage, whose achievements seem even more impressive.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chien-Shiung_Wu

    "Chien-Shiung Wu (simplified Chinese: 吴健雄; traditional Chinese: 吳健雄; pinyin: Wú Jiànxióng;
    May 31, 1912 – February 16, 1997) was a Chinese-American experimental physicist
    who made significant contributions in the field of nuclear physics. Wu worked on the
    Manhattan Project, where she helped develop the process for separating uranium metal
    into uranium-235 and uranium-238 isotopes by gaseous diffusion. She is best known for
    conducting the Wu experiment, which contradicted the hypothetical law of conservation of parity.
    This discovery resulted in her colleagues Tsung-Dao Lee and Chen-Ning Yang winning the
    1957 Nobel Prize in physics, and also earned Wu the inaugural Wolf Prize in Physics in 1978.
    Her expertise in experimental physics evoked comparisons to Marie Curie. Her nicknames include
    "the First Lady of Physics", "the Chinese Madame Curie", and the "Queen of Nuclear Research"
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    23 Jul '18 21:381 edit
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Sau Lan Wu should not be confused with Chien-Shiung_Wu, another woman physicist
    of Chinese heritage, whose achievements seem even more impressive.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chien-Shiung_Wu

    "Chien-Shiung Wu (simplified Chinese: 吴健雄; traditional Chinese: 吳健雄; pinyin: Wú Jiànxióng;
    May 31, 1912 – February 16, 1997) was a Chinese-American experi ...[text shortened]... de
    "the First Lady of Physics", "the Chinese Madame Curie", and the "Queen of Nuclear Research"
    It's weird, I knew she won in 57 but googling her name they list 4 prizes including the Wolfe prize in 78 but not the Nobel. Bit of bias going there?

    But another female winner, Barbara McClintock Nobel prize for medicine, 1983

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_McClintock

    Americans don't seem to be doing THAT badly in science....
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    24 Jul '18 17:582 edits
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    It's weird, I knew she won in 57 but googling her name they list 4 prizes including the Wolfe prize in 78 but not the Nobel. Bit of bias going there?

    But another female winner, Barbara McClintock Nobel prize for medicine, 1983

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_McClintock

    Americans don't seem to be doing THAT badly in science....
    Two notable Chinese women physicists named 'Wu'--I expect people to get them mixed up.

    The 1957 Nobel Prize in physics was shared by Tsung-Dao Lee and Chen Ning Yang,
    theoretical physicists, while Chien-Shiung Wu was an experimental physicist, who tend
    to receive less recognition. In 1957, Lee and Yang were not US citizens; Wu had become
    a US citizen in 1954, largely because a US passport allowed her easier international travel.

    "Wu applied for a scholarship at the end of her first year [at an American university],
    but there was prejudice against Asian students, and Wu and Yuan [Wu's boyfriend and
    future husband, also a physicist] were instead offered a readership with a lower stipend."
    --Wikipedia
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    31 Jul '18 01:471 edit
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    https://www.wired.com/story/meet-the-woman-who-rocked-particle-physicsthree-times/

    Amazing story.
    Sau Lan Wu, major lady of science:

    They should promote her to Lt. Colonel. 😀
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    31 Jul '18 02:17
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Sau Lan Wu, major lady of science:

    They should promote her to Lt. Colonel. 😀
    Hell, why not 3 star general.....
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    31 Jul '18 21:061 edit
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    Hell, why not 3 star general.....
    Qian Xuesen, a famous Chinese rocket scientist, did important work for the US military
    during and after the Second World War, for which he held the (honorary?) rank of colonel.

    "At the age of 36, he [Qian Xuesen] was an undisputed genius whose work was providing
    an enormous impetus to advances in high-speed aerodynamics and jet propulsion."
    --Theodore von Kármán (Qian Xuesen's mentor, scientific collaborator, and friend)

    Qian Xuesen became a victim of McCarthyism, detained under house arrest for years, and
    eventually deported to China (as part of a deal to release American airmen captured in China).

    ""It was the stupidest thing this country [USA] ever did. He [Qian Xuesen] was no more
    a Communist than I was, and we forced him to go."
    --Dan Kimball (Undersecretary of the US Navy and a friend of Qian Xuesen)

    The US government refused to allow Qian Xuesen to bring any of his own scientific papers
    and research notes with him to China (so he could not 'steal his own secrets' from the USA).
    In the 1990s (after Qian Xuesen had retired and his papers had become obsolete),
    the USA offered to return his papers to him.
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    31 Jul '18 23:27
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    Hell, why not 3 star general.....
    I know of no evidence that Sau Lan Wu's work ever has required her to have a US security clearance.
    Given her background, however, it's quite possible that she would be rejected if she
    were to apply for a US security clearance.

    I don't know that any of the several ethnic Chinese physicists who won Nobel Prizes
    while working in the USA have ever held US security clearances.
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    02 Aug '18 20:44
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Qian Xuesen, a famous Chinese rocket scientist, did important work for the US military
    during and after the Second World War, for which he held the (honorary?) rank of colonel.

    "At the age of 36, he [Qian Xuesen] was an undisputed genius whose work was providing
    an enormous impetus to advances in high-speed aerodynamics and jet propulsion."
    --Theo ...[text shortened]... had retired and his papers had become obsolete),
    the USA offered to return his papers to him.
    Like he would not have been able to re-write those papers. Kind of like J.S. Bach at the age of 14 told he could not take out the music he wished to study so he just used his photographic memory to write out the pieces he wanted and later shown to have missed only 3 or 4 notes in the entire manuscript.
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    02 Aug '18 21:161 edit
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    Like he would not have been able to re-write those papers. Kind of like J.S. Bach at the age of 14 told he could not take out the music he wished to study so he just used his photographic memory to write out the pieces he wanted and later shown to have missed only 3 or 4 notes in the entire manuscript.
    "Like he [Qian Xuesen] would not have been able to re-write those papers."
    --Sonhouse

    Some of Qian Xuesen's papers may have been written in collaboration, particularly with
    his mentor and close friend, Theodore von Kármán (whom he regarded as a second father).

    It was (and still may be) a popular belief among racist Americans that no Chinese scientist
    or engineer is capable (just ask Carly Florina) of doing any original work without 'stealing secrets'.
    The US media widely reported that, by being deported to China, Qian Xuesen was 'stealing
    secrets' from the USA, even though these 'secrets' were his original thoughts in his own mind.
    Some Americans even suggested that the USA should have found a pretext to execute Qian Xuesen.

    During US Senate hearings (in the 1990s) about alleged Chinese espionage, at least
    several ignorant (at best) racist American politicians vilified Qian Xuesen's ability and character,
    and such defamation seemed almost always unquestioningly accepted by the US media.
    US political and media opinion apparently held that Qian Xuesen always was (even long
    before the People's Republic of China even existed) a secret Communist spy who arrived
    (in the 1930s) for the sole purpose of 'stealing secrets' from the USA. Being 'racially inferior'
    in intelligence, of course, Qian Xuesen was obviously incapable of doing any work on his own.
    (Never mind that Theodore von Kármán referred to Qian Xuesen as a 'genius', one of the
    world's top rocket scientists.) In particular, Qian Xuesen was branded by American Senators
    as obviously guilty of stealing secrets for the Titan missile, even though that project
    began long after the USA had revoked his security clearance. As usual, Americans
    found it too painful to concede that a Chinese scientist could be brilliant and have made
    major contributions to US science and technology. Hence, the racist vilification.

    Late in his life, Qian Xuesen received invitations to visit the USA, often to receive awards.
    As a proud man, he refused to set foot again in the USA unless the US government apologized to him.
    Of course, the US government never would apologize for wrongdoing done to a Chinese.
    Given that his children were born in the USA, however, they are US citizens (if still alive).
    I believe that his son has quietly lived from time to time in the USA.
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    02 Aug '18 21:232 edits
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    "Like he [Qian Xuesen] would not have been able to re-write those papers."
    --Sonhouse

    Some of Qian Xuesen's papers may have been written in collaboration, particularly with
    his mentor and close friend, Theodore von Kármán (whom he regarded as a second father).

    It was (and still may be) a popular belief among racist Americans that no Chinese scien ...[text shortened]... tizens (if still alive).
    I believe that his son has quietly lived from time to time in the USA.
    That was a disgusting era in US politics, folk musicians were caught up in that blacklist scandal also, my favorite group when I was 14 was the Weavers, who sang protest songs way before Dylan and company, in the 1940's and 50's and I came across them as a HS student around 1955 or so and instantly loved their music only to have it snatched from me by the blacklists. They had 2 #1 hits in 1950 but the blacklists stopped all that.
    That is the way of US government, just like now with Trump silencing any critique of him by his own party by brainwashing his base and thus brainwashing republican congressmen into silence no matter what his latest BS policy is, like his recent tweet saying Sessions 'should' stop the Mueller probe NOW. Clear obstruction of justice but his repub brainwashed buddies say ZERO on it.
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    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    That was a disgusting era in US politics, folk musicians were caught up in that blacklist scandal also, my favorite group when I was 14 was the Weavers, who sang protest songs way before Dylan and company, in the 1940's and 50's and I came across them as a HS student around 1955 or so and instantly loved their music only to have it snatched from me by the ...[text shortened]... ueller probe NOW. Clear obstruction of justice but his repub brainwashed buddies say ZERO on it.
    One of Qian Xuesen's closest friends at Caltech was Sidney Weinbaum, a chemist
    (Jewish immigrant from Russia) and a local chess champion. Qian Xuesen's loyalty to
    his close friend would hurt him in the McCarthyist era.

    The US government accused Sidney Weinbaum (a leftist) of being a Communist and lying about it.
    The US government wanted Qian Xuesen to testify against Sidney Weinbaum, promising
    to go easier or harder on Qian Xuesen depending upon his 'cooperation' with it.
    Qian Xuesen flatly refused to testify against his friend, saying that he had no knowledge
    of him ever being a Communist or lying about it. Qian Xuesen's refusal brought him
    under increasing FBI surveillance and harassment.

    Sidney Weinbaum was convicted of perjury and spent years in prison. His children were
    ostracized and expelled from their school. After his release from prison, he found himself
    blacklisted from working in his field, so he spent the rest of his career at menial jobs
    (presumably under assumed names). One of his children later said that the McCarthyist
    persecution almost completely destroyed the Weinbaum family.

    Sadly, Qian Xuesen and Sidney Weinbaum could have no further contact--their friendship was broken.
    When Weinbaum was in prison, Qian considered writing to him, but he knew that the
    FBI would intercept his letter and misinterpret it as more evidence of a Communist conspiracy.
    So why should he add to his friend's misery? Likewise, when Qian was about to get
    deported to China, Weinbaum made no attempt to contact him, presumably feeling that
    he could face further harassment by the FBI if he did so.
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    04 Aug '18 04:01
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    One of Qian Xuesen's closest friends at Caltech was Sidney Weinbaum, a chemist
    (Jewish immigrant from Russia) and a local chess champion. Qian Xuesen's loyalty to
    his close friend would hurt him in the McCarthyist era.

    The US government accused Sidney Weinbaum (a leftist) of being a Communist and lying about it.
    The US government wanted Qian Xuese ...[text shortened]... contact him, presumably feeling that
    he could face further harassment by the FBI if he did so.
    A horrible episode in US history, now being repeated in the incarceration of infants, still over 500 left to find parents or relatives. Another disgusting episode, a real stain on our government and the brainwashed trumpites who think it ok.
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