Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
If you're a non cognitivist, you'll see the problem with a statement like 'murder is wrong'.
Why make claims that natural rights have some sort of independent existence when they clearly don't? You produce the red herring and then propose that I should discuss it with John Locke ... Natural rights theory is simply wrong -- human rights are a contes cussion is out of place in a science forum; I'll set Popper's ghost on you if you do.
I did not say 'murder is objectively wrong'. I said it's my opinion that murder is wrong. I did not claim natural rights have some sort of independent existence. I told you this was all subjective a long time ago. I thought that cleared up this point of confusion before.
"Granting rights" puts the moral authority on the granter, and makes the person who has the rights morally subordinate to the granter. It leads toward "divine right", top down morality sort of thinking, where what is moral is what the government decides is moral. With this notion of "granting" rights, one could end up with some sort of absurd situation such as a country where torturing innocent Christians is considered perfectly moral because the Muslim government didn't "grant" the Christians rights. It doesn't make sense.
The point of rights is that the rulers are NOT morally superordinate to the people; rights trump government when they come into conflict; not the other way around - government doesn't grant rights. Government cannot grant or ungrant them. If they try the people are justified in violent rebellion against the evil government that refuses to protect their rights.
All of this is of course the subjective opinion which my nation and the international community officially use to inform their legal systems, and all of this is implied when we refer to entities having "human style" rights.