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  1. Standard member Grampy Bobby
    Boston Lad
    10 Mar '13 21:21 / 2 edits
    Sleep Log

    For the past three weeks I've kept an accurate of my total hours of sleep. Going In Assumption was that the overall average would be eight with minimal deviation. The Mild RLS Medications prevent me from enjoying more than 2.25 to 3.50 Hours at a Stretch [no pun]; so, I kept midnight to midnight as the log units of measure. This morning's summary came as a surprise:

    22 Night Average = 7.0 Hours with a Range of 9.5 (HI) Friday, February 22; 8.0 /?\ 5.25 and 5.0 (Low) Saturday, March 2.

    On the Far Fringe of 'Normal in Context' / Insights or Explanations or Humorous Comments?
    .
  2. Standard member leestatic
    Hristos voskrese
    11 Mar '13 00:14 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Sleep Log

    For the past three weeks I've kept an accurate of my total hours of sleep. Going In Assumption was that the overall average would be eight with minimal deviation. The Mild RLS Medications prevent me from enjoying more than 2.25 to 3.50 Hours at a Stretch [no pun]; so, I kept midnight to midnight as the log units of measure. This morn n the Far Fringe of 'Normal in Context' / Insights or Explanations or Humorous Comments?
    .[/b]
    Retired folk = bone idle.
  3. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    11 Mar '13 19:40 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Sleep Log

    For the past three weeks I've kept an accurate of my total hours of sleep. Going In Assumption was that the overall average would be eight with minimal deviation. The Mild RLS Medications prevent me from enjoying more than 2.25 to 3.50 Hours at a Stretch [no pun]; so, I kept midnight to midnight as the log units of measure. This morn n the Far Fringe of 'Normal in Context' / Insights or Explanations or Humorous Comments?
    .[/b]
    For a deep night's sleep full of dreams you thought belonged only to childhood, try two 3mg of melatonin and one 1000mg of valerian root.

    No alcohol or caffeine for the day; you'll wake up refreshed and renewed--- regardless the amount of hours.

    EDIT:
    Do yourself a favor regarding the RLS, too.
    Before getting all coked up on medications designed to mask instead of cure, try knocking all caffeine out of your diet and stretch.
    Yoga's a GREAT all-around body treat.
  4. 11 Mar '13 19:48
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    For a deep night's sleep full of dreams you thought belonged only to childhood, try two 3mg of melatonin and one 1000mg of valerian root.

    No alcohol or caffeine for the day; you'll wake up refreshed and renewed--- regardless the amount of hours.

    EDIT:
    Do yourself a favor regarding the RLS, too.
    Before getting all coked up on medications designed to ...[text shortened]... ry knocking all caffeine out of your diet and stretch.
    Yoga's a GREAT all-around body treat.
    Couple of beers and a decent Brandy sorts me out!
  5. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    12 Mar '13 20:22
    Originally posted by OdBod
    Couple of beers and a decent Brandy sorts me out!
    Until about four or five hours later when the zero order reaction reaches its end, waking you up with a spike in blood sugar!
  6. Standard member Grampy Bobby
    Boston Lad
    13 Mar '13 01:21 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH

    Until about four or five hours later when the zero order reaction reaches its end, waking you up with a spike in blood sugar!
    "Zero Order Reaction", quite simple:

    http://www.chem1.com/acad/webtext/dynamics/dynamics-1.html

    (thanks)
  7. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    13 Mar '13 16:15
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    For a deep night's sleep full of dreams you thought belonged only to childhood, try two 3mg of melatonin and one 1000mg of valerian root.

    No alcohol or caffeine for the day; you'll wake up refreshed and renewed--- regardless the amount of hours.

    EDIT:
    Do yourself a favor regarding the RLS, too.
    Before getting all coked up on medications designed to ...[text shortened]... ry knocking all caffeine out of your diet and stretch.
    Yoga's a GREAT all-around body treat.
    Bob, the idea of melatonin is a good one, but a large study at MIT showed the doses people talk about are WAY to large. The brain produces only micrograms of this very powerful hormone, something on the order of 250 MICROgrams per day after lights out. Lighting will kill the melatonin. So the drug manufacturers finally caught on and started selling 0.3 milligram (300 MICROgram) pills. I only need to take one of those, my wife needs 2. Any more than that will way overshoot the amount of melatonin in your system and it might work for one night but you will be saturated with it if you take multiple milligram levels and it will no longer work after the first night.

    Valerium root has Valium in it, that is presumably what would make you sleepy. It might work. It won't interfere with melatonin at any rate.

    Don't get 3 milligram or 5 milligram melatonin pills, it is a waste of money. That is the way most sellers package the stuff. Only get 0.3 milligram pills. I have seen them in places like Rite Aid drug stores, maybe Walgreens.
  8. Standard member Grampy Bobby
    Boston Lad
    13 Mar '13 20:17
    Originally posted by sonhouse

    Bob, the idea of melatonin is a good one, but a large study at MIT showed the doses people talk about are WAY to large. The brain produces only micrograms of this very powerful hormone, something on the order of 250 MICROgrams per day after lights out. Lighting will kill the melatonin. So the drug manufacturers finally caught on and started selling 0.3 milli ...[text shortened]... ly get 0.3 milligram pills. I have seen them in places like Rite Aid drug stores, maybe Walgreens.
    Does continued use result in gradually dimished effectiveness;

    and is it true that Turkey is a natural source of Melatonin?
  9. Standard member Grampy Bobby
    Boston Lad
    13 Mar '13 21:17
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH

    For a deep night's sleep full of dreams you thought belonged only to childhood, try two 3mg of melatonin and one 1000mg of valerian root.

    No alcohol or caffeine for the day; you'll wake up refreshed and renewed--- regardless the amount of hours.

    EDIT:
    Do yourself a favor regarding the RLS, too.
    Before getting all coked up on medications designed ...[text shortened]... ry knocking all caffeine out of your diet and stretch.
    Yoga's a GREAT all-around body treat.
    Preliminary Report: Began aggressively stretching Monday night.

    Voila! Almost within an hour the sense of increased coursing through the veins of my feet and thighs.

    Still somewhat dubious about developing a dependence on 'Sleep Aids'.
  10. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    14 Mar '13 14:29
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Preliminary Report: Began aggressively stretching Monday night.

    Voila! Almost within an hour the sense of increased coursing through the veins of my feet and thighs.

    Still somewhat dubious about developing a dependence on 'Sleep Aids'.
    The doctors say regular physical exercise helps. I don't do any exercise so I don't know for sure. I have been thinking about it, but that is as far as I get. My wife reads before going to bed. I have noticed that if I pick up a chess book with the intention of reading and studying it that I find myself asleep pretty quick. No drugs there.
  11. Standard member Soothfast
    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,
    14 Mar '13 16:17
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Bob, the idea of melatonin is a good one, but a large study at MIT showed the doses people talk about are WAY to large. The brain produces only micrograms of this very powerful hormone, something on the order of 250 MICROgrams per day after lights out. Lighting will kill the melatonin. So the drug manufacturers finally caught on and started selling 0.3 mill ...[text shortened]... et 0.3 milligram pills. I have seen them in places like Rite Aid drug stores, maybe Walgreens.
    The liver filters out at least 80% of the melatonin in the bloodstream in the first pass, so it stands to reason that a larger amount must be ingested for long-term efficacy. I started taking melatonin most nights (either 3 mg or 5 mg) last summer, and I've observed a few things:

    1) I suffer no "withdrawals" (i.e. insomnia) on the nights I don't take it.
    2) I get to sleep faster and wake up less often.
    3) Dreams are often more vivid.
    4) There is no drugged feeling the next day as happens with, say, Ambien (evil stuff) or Unisom. And no odd side-effects.