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Well lets try to put up a serisous discussion here:

Some theses:

* Science is fact-driven, meaning, that observations need to be accurately documented and repeated.
* Science is nearing truth mainly by excluding theses which have been proven wrong.
* A good scientific experiment is set up in a way to dsiprove a (reasonable) hypothesis.

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@Ponderable said
Well lets try to put up a serisous discussion here:

Some theses:

* Science is fact-driven, meaning, that observations need to be accurately documented and repeated.
* Science is nearing truth mainly by excluding theses which have been proven wrong.
* A good scientific experiment is set up in a way to dsiprove a (reasonable) hypothesis.
Acceptable to me, I never had any issue with anything that fell into these categories.

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@KellyJay said
Acceptable to me, I never had any issue with anything that fell into these categories.
What categories would you find unacceptable? Not trying to argue, just want to know what science you object to.

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@sonhouse said
What categories would you find unacceptable? Not trying to argue, just want to know what science you object to.
Why ask me? You're always telling me what I'm thinking and my motivations; I'm the last person you need for that information.

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@KellyJay said
Why ask me? You're always telling me what I'm thinking and my motivations; I'm the last person you need for that information.
Well there are REALLY bad things going on in our government right now. Elon Musk now LITERALLY owns ALL of our financial data, Trump gave him the LITERAL keys to ALL the data in our Treasury department. This is the most scary action Trump has taken yet, and killing USAID, where money goes to feed starving people and such, no those starving people RIGHT now are not going to get aid because apparently Musk grew up in Apartheid South Africa and was did not like Apartheid going away so he literally HATES USAID which was started by Kennedy.
So he is shutting it down and even congressmen cannot get in the building despite big protests outside WITH government official in the protest.

The US is no longer a country of laws, for instance, the freeze Trump is instituting has two courts give injunctions stopping those freezes but Trump just ignores them BECAUSE he is LITERALLY now above the law and courts can do nothing.

So we are in more jeopardy then the US has been in since LITERALLY the civil war and turning into Orban like government in Hungary, right now NPR and PBS are being attacked on where they get their money. from US and Trump wants to shut them down and all over outlets of news. JUST LIKE ORBAN who totally shut down free press.

If all this doesn't open your eyes, you are not worthy of being called a US citizen.

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@sonhouse said
Well there are REALLY bad things going on in our government right now. Elon Musk now LITERALLY owns ALL of our financial data, Trump gave him the LITERAL keys to ALL the data in our Treasury department. This is the most scary action Trump has taken yet, and killing USAID, where money goes to feed starving people and such, no those starving people RIGHT now are not going to g ...[text shortened]... free press.

If all this doesn't open your eyes, you are not worthy of being called a US citizen.
I'm not a Trump apologist; why are you telling me here in a science forum?

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@sonhouse said
Well there are REALLY bad things going on in our government right now. Elon Musk now LITERALLY owns ALL of our financial data, Trump gave him the LITERAL keys to ALL the data in our Treasury department. This is the most scary action Trump has taken yet, and killing USAID, where money goes to feed starving people and such, no those starving people RIGHT now are not going to g ...[text shortened]... free press.

If all this doesn't open your eyes, you are not worthy of being called a US citizen.
This was really off topic.

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Next thesis:

You can only measure what you intend to measure. So any measurement is based on a hypothesis in other words: Truth can't be found by measurement, reality can be.

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@KellyJay said
I'm not a Trump apologist; why are you telling me here in a science forum?
Well I am scared out of my mind, I had to get that off my chest, I did a post of it in debates.
It is REALLY scary Musk now owns ALL of our financial data, the very first one in US history to do that.

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@sonhouse said
Well I am scared out of my mind, I had to get that off my chest, I did a post of it in debates.
It is REALLY scary Musk now owns ALL of our financial data, the very first one in US history to do that.
I doubt that very much, the data has always been there. Without checks and balances who knows what has been going on. No one can balance books without knowing where the money is going, how much to whom.

If they are not transparent, yes I agree trouble. I am more worried about the Cartelocrats, trying to keep open boarders and criminals in country.

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@KellyJay said
I doubt that very much, the data has always been there. Without checks and balances who knows what has been going on. No one can balance books without knowing where the money is going, how much to whom.

If they are not transparent, yes I agree trouble. I am more worried about the Cartelocrats, trying to keep open boarders and criminals in country.
Actually, you are 100% wrong. NOBODY is supposed to have the data on a third of a BILLION US citizens and now Musk has it all. And he is the ONLY one in US history to have all that data and you find nothing wrong with it?

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@Ponderable said
This was really off topic.
Yes it is but it was because I am scared shhyttelss to see Coup V2 being successful this time. And not a single republican standing up to Trump so will let the US turn into an oligarchy and the death of independent news.

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@sonhouse said
Actually, you are 100% wrong. NOBODY is supposed to have the data on a third of a BILLION US citizens and now Musk has it all. And he is the ONLY one in US history to have all that data and you find nothing wrong with it?
Someone oversees that, you think it is totally computer driven without human over-site?

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@KellyJay said
Someone oversees that, you think it is totally computer driven without human over-site?
And you trust the worlds richest man to be the one who holds the keys to our entire economy?
Are you so trusting you think Musk has no agenda going on that would be against the values of the US?
Shutting down USAID? which is our goodwill bill helping starving children all over the world and now like I mean NOW, there is no money for any of those things.
This is fine with you? Do you know ANYTHING about USAID? Why it is there and how long?
Or the fact it fights the Chinese doing the same thing but with an agenda of wanting to take over the counties they donate to.
Is THAT ok with you?

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@sonhouse said
And you trust the worlds richest man to be the one who holds the keys to our entire economy?
Are you so trusting you think Musk has no agenda going on that would be against the values of the US?
Shutting down USAID? which is our goodwill bill helping starving children all over the world and now like I mean NOW, there is no money for any of those things.
This is fine wit ...[text shortened]... thing but with an agenda of wanting to take over the counties they donate to.
Is THAT ok with you?
We are all capable of good and bad, which is why transparency is so important. Do you even know who is directing the money now?

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