Unlocking The Mystery of Life
10 Jul '13 07:19
10 Jul '13 19:10Originally posted by sonhouseThese are not from creationists, but from scientists who were taught Darwinism and believed in and still do up to a point. Then through their research they discovered that at a point they were unable to logically explain the mystery of life by Darwinian processes.
More creationistic nonsense.
10 Jul '13 21:30Originally posted by RJHindsThen they should be publishing their findings in a real science journal so they can fight it out scientifically based on evidence. Science is not done in a video. You seem to not understand that part. A video gives opinions only, not real science. You can't refute a video, it just sits their and spreads its BS forever, and if they are proven wrong, the video just keeps resurfacing as if nothing happened.
These are not from creationists, but from scientists who were taught Darwinism and believed in and still do up to a point. Then through their research they discovered that at a point they were unable to logically explain the mystery of life by Darwinian processes.
The evidence from the living cell led them to conclude that intelligent design was the best ...[text shortened]... or the truth regardless of were it led and how they reached their conclusions.
The Instructor
11 Jul '13 08:29Originally posted by sonhouseYou didn't even look at the video, so how could you know that they have not published anything?
Then they should be publishing their findings in a real science journal so they can fight it out scientifically based on evidence. Science is not done in a video. You seem to not understand that part. A video gives opinions only, not real science. You can't refute a video, it just sits their and spreads its BS forever, and if they are proven wrong, the vide ...[text shortened]... c papers, where they published, how many citations their paper produced. THAT is real science.
11 Jul '13 11:08Originally posted by RJHindsShow me the money. YOU find out the papers and the citations. They are YOUR buddies, not mine. I say they are not real scientists, maybe they have Phd's and such but if they have an agenda before they even do their research it is clear they will bugger up any data and cherry pick through it all in a vain attempt to convince weak minded people they are sincere in their so-called scientific research when in fact they are simply colluding with each other for religious political gains and have no real interest in actual scientific advancement.
You didn't even look at the video, so how could you know that they have not published anything?
The Instructor
11 Jul '13 13:49 11 Jul '13 14:223 editsOriginally posted by sonhouseAt about 32 minutes into the previous video the problem of evolutionary scientist trying to find the origin of life came up and the former evolutionist Dean Kenyon is introduced as one who thought he had an explanation of how proteins could self-assemble themselves without the help of genic instructions by the chemical properties in amino acids. So he co-authored the book "Biochemical Predestination" with Gary Steinman in 1969, which was received very well by the scientific community and his theory was accepted as best for the next 20 years. He had thought that chains of amino acids were formed by the force of attraction between their parts at that time.
I'll give you an example from another area of science that show how real science is done: the search for extraterrestrial planets around other stars in our galaxy. There are several ways they can detect the presence of planets around stars even if they are 50,000 light years away, for instance by monitoring the brightness of the star very closely they can s ...[text shortened]... ts who make video's have another agenda besides what they are supposedly pushing on the video.
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11 Jul '13 14:521 editOriginally posted by RJHindsDo you have links to their actual papers or the journals they were published in? That means a lot more to me than any youtube video. Papers don't make opinions or generalities, they deal with specific issues and real data. That's what I want to see, not opinions in a video.
At about 32 minutes into the previous video the problem of evolutionary scientist trying to find the origin of life came up and the former evolutionist Dean Kenyon is introduced as one who thought he had an explanation of how proteins could self-assemble themselves without the help of genic instructions by the chemical properties in amino acids. So he co-au s is one of the scientists on the first video I would like you to consider.
The Instructor
11 Jul '13 15:37Originally posted by sonhouseNo, I do not have any links to the papers other than the critque paper that I posted.
Do you have links to their actual papers or the journals they were published in? That means a lot more to me than any youtube video. Papers don't make opinions or generalities, they deal with specific issues and real data. That's what I want to see, not opinions in a video.
Did you look at the link I showed about planet formation? Just an example of real science.
11 Jul '13 15:51Originally posted by RJHindsI didn't take ANY opinion on the subject of new planets. I was just showing you an example of how real science works. I said in the post I was not touting planet formation one way or the other.
No, I do not have any links to the papers other than the critque paper that I posted.
Yes, I did look at the link you posted, but I don't see that has anything to do with what we are discussing about the mystery of life.
You will not take the opinion of a scientist turned creationist, but you have no problem taking the opinion of an evolutionist. What a surprise.
The Instructor
11 Jul '13 16:19Originally posted by sonhouseWell, I think it might be better for us to cease our posting to each other before we start insulting each other again. Okay?
I didn't take ANY opinion on the subject of new planets. I was just showing you an example of how real science works. I said in the post I was not touting planet formation one way or the other.
You have a unique perspective on other people's words.
12 Jul '13 10:50Originally posted by RJHindsSo once again it is clear you could care less about how real science works, only your pathetic bid for your agenda, that is to destroy science and forward the program to force creationism to be taught in a science class and force evolution out. Nice work, especially for the self lobotomized.
Well, I think it might be better for us to cease our posting to each other before we start insulting each other again. Okay?
The Instructor
12 Jul '13 19:41Originally posted by sonhouseWhy do you wish to continue with the insults? I care about the truth in both science and religion. However, you and I have such different worldviews that we seem unable to come to any common ground that we can agree with and as a result our conversation seems to gain nothing more than a few insults thrown about.
So once again it is clear you could care less about how real science works, only your pathetic bid for your agenda, that is to destroy science and forward the program to force creationism to be taught in a science class and force evolution out. Nice work, especially for the self lobotomized.
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