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This must have been posted before but as I don't have the patience to look for it I'll just post again. It is a solution that is widely accepted everywhere except RHP.
Originally posted by tomtom232Indeed it has been suggested before, I think Swiss Gambit has worked out the details.
This must have been posted before but as I don't have the patience to look for it I'll just post again. It is a solution that is widely accepted everywhere except RHP.
Originally posted by tomtom232How would you allocate points against a player in a tournament where they timed out say 10 games?
This must have been posted before but as I don't have the patience to look for it I'll just post again. It is a solution that is widely accepted everywhere except RHP.
Originally posted by adramforallWhat's your point? That's the general idea behind rating floors. The 1300/1400 guys get the points from beating a higher ranked player and the opponents of the 1700 guy don't get screwed when xe returns. I don't know about you but i'm not a fan of playing 1100 guys when they should be 1900.
How would you allocate points against a player in a tournament where they timed out say 10 games?
For instance, an open tournament with an 1720 rated player with a rating floor of 1700.
If they timeout against a bunch of 1200/1400 players they will lose at present 20+ points per game lost, so after 10 games timed out they should be around 1500 or ...[text shortened]... the floor, as their win will be against a 1700 rated player not someone who should be at 1550.
Originally posted by Trev33If a lowly 1300/1400 rated player beats, by timeout, someone who is "floored" at 1800 they will gain a heap of points, artificially bumping their rating. This screws them up for future banded tournaments.
What's your point? That's the general idea behind rating floors. The 1300/1400 guys get the points from beating a higher ranked player and the opponents of the 1700 guy don't get screwed when xe returns. I don't know about you but i'm not a fan of playing 1100 guys when they should be 1900.
Originally posted by Trev33I'd much rather play an 1100 guy who should be 1900 than a 1900 guy who should be 1100. I learn more that way. I get to play chess, and that's why I'm here, not to get a four-digit number to put behind my name. I dunno, perhaps the people who complain about getting a hit to their rating only want to get a rating, and don't want to learn to play better chess.
I don't know about you but i'm not a fan of playing 1100 guys when they should be 1900.
Originally posted by Shallow BlueTrue enough, but I don't think the argument is as much about defending anyone's
I'd much rather play an 1100 guy who should be 1900 than a 1900 guy who should be 1100. I learn more that way. I get to play chess, and that's why I'm here, not to get a four-digit number to put behind my name. I dunno, perhaps the people who complain about getting a hit to their rating only want to get a rating, and don't want to learn to play better chess.
Richard
Originally posted by shortcircuitEngine use/abuse is a difficult one.
True enough, but I don't think the argument is as much about defending anyone's
rating per se, as much as it is to come up with a reasonable measure of a player's
talent, relative to some measure that allows a more equitable basis for pairing players in tournaments, clan matches, etc....
There are some pretty epic sandbaggers on this site. They kn ...[text shortened]... hom that I could beat several of the engine users
in an OTB match up where they have no aid.
Originally posted by vendaWhy should I have to invest in an engine in order to check an opponent who is using
Engine use/abuse is a difficult one.
I can only think of one way to stop it.
If you think your opponent is using a chess computer or engine,plug the moves into an engine yourself, move(without using the engine obviously!!) and watch the responses.
If his subsequent moves match the engine for a number of moves message him and ask if he's using a chess engin ...[text shortened]... le searching for challenges for my clansmen/women but as you say -they know who they are!!
Originally posted by vendaBad advice. You are suggesting that someone use an engine to prepare their moves. Don't.
If you think your opponent is using a chess computer or engine,plug the moves into an engine yourself, move(without using the engine obviously!!) and watch the responses.
If his subsequent moves match the engine for a number of moves message him and ask if he's using a chess engine.
This may shame him into abandoning using it in your game.
However if he pe ...[text shortened]... keep the evidence and after , say 10 moves report him to the admins quoting the "evidence"
Originally posted by shortcircuitI would imagine free engines are available online but I don't know 'cos I've never looked for one and I don't agree with the site rules which say you can use opening theory either!!
Why should I have to invest in an engine in order to check an opponent who is using
an engine in a game we are playing that is supposed to be for fun?
What does a cheater gain in winning a game by cheating?
Do they gain some convoluted bragging rights?
Are they so lacking in moral character that this is their redemption?
Online chess is weak anyw ...[text shortened]... in online chess to take it seriously.
It is a shame really, but it is the nature of the beast.