1. Standard membercaissad4
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    29 Apr '08 01:40
    I just noticed that this site does not have a list of players who have been removed and the reasons for their removal.
    Maybe having such a list would be a good idea.
    Just a thought.
  2. SubscriberVery Rusty
    Treat Everyone Equal
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    29 Apr '08 02:45
    Yes, that is a very good idea. On the other hand, don't you think it might be more fun speculating why so and so is not with us anymore. ๐Ÿ˜‰
  3. Standard memberBedingbedang
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    29 Apr '08 04:01
    Originally posted by caissad4
    I just noticed that this site does not have a list of players who have been removed and the reasons for their removal.
    Maybe having such a list would be a good idea.
    Just a thought.
    I was going to write back that there is one already and put a link...but I just noticed the list is gone!! It used to be under Game Moderation in the Site Map page. Must have something to do with the recent controversies and the formation of the new game moderation team.

    I'm curious as to wether the disappearance of the list is only temporary or not. And if it's a permanent move, what is the motivations behind it? I can think of many reasons but I'd like to hear from the admins. I tought that list was useful (even if I rarely looked at it).
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    29 Apr '08 13:20
    Originally posted by Bedingbedang
    I'm curious as to wether the disappearance of the list is only temporary or not. And if it's a permanent move, what is the motivations behind it? I can think of many reasons but I'd like to hear from the admins. I tought that list was useful (even if I rarely looked at it).
    Here's what Russ said about it: Thread 92792... I somehow doubt we'll get more information.
  5. Standard memberPhlabibit
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    29 Apr '08 14:33
    Originally posted by Nordlys
    Here's what Russ said about it: Thread 92792... I somehow doubt we'll get more information.
    What more is to know? He answered the question.

    P-
  6. SubscriberVery Rusty
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    29 Apr '08 16:25
    Originally posted by Phlabibit
    What more is to know? He answered the question.

    P-
    Sure there is, like WHY? You may know but the rest of us do not !!
  7. Standard membercaissad4
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    29 Apr '08 16:39
    Originally posted by Very Rusty
    Sure there is, like WHY? You may know but the rest of us do not !!
    Lately ,playing chess here at RHP is like being a mushroom.
    Kept in the dark and fed s%%t all day.
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    29 Apr '08 17:12
    Originally posted by caissad4
    Lately ,playing chess here at RHP is like being a mushroom.
    Kept in the dark and fed s%%t all day.
    Well said!
  9. Standard memberNemesio
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    30 Apr '08 15:091 edit
    Originally posted by Phlabibit
    What more is to know? He answered the question.

    P-
    Look Phalbibit,

    I respect that it's Russ' right to not tell us. It's his site. We don't have a 'right' to be here, and
    I would never (and have never) made a claim to the contrary.

    My concern is this: Once upon a time, RHP was basically Russ' (and Chris'๐Ÿ˜‰ pet project, something
    they did in their spare time. That period was marked with a certain desire and active effort to
    cultivate a community. Read some of Russ' posts from the first few years. Yes, there are the
    usual announcements of upcoming developments, site outages, and sundries. But you'll notice
    there is a certain tenderness to other posts, a humility, a sense of pride in the community. Almost,
    a sense of reverence. If you have the patience, read some of the archives of other active
    posters: there are a lot of unsolicited 'This site is great, Russ' posts (that is, not in response
    to any specific changes made by Russ at the time [although there are many of those, too], but
    just seemingly out of nowhere). And, with the exception of an occasional troll or disgruntled
    cheat, you never found people complaining about the general tenor of the site.

    Lately, in the past year or so, the administration has been rather detracted. Decisions of
    significant consequence are being made without explanation: The dissolution of the game mod
    team is a perfect example. No explanation was given for this, even though many people
    raised very legitimate concerns. The disappearance of the removed players list is another one.
    This seems especially odd, since Russ was one of the most active 'Sorry, see ya' posters when
    players were getting removed some four years ago. I suspect the reason is because some of
    the most recently removed players were storming him with complaints regarding the 'See ya'
    posts that were being manufactured in the General forum and he figured the best way for it
    to go away was to remove the impetus for such posts (the list). That's all he would have to
    say: 'The reason I removed the list was because the general community's response to the list
    was resulting in a backlog of feedback which made developing the site impossible,' or something
    like that. This 'behind the scenes' stuff is very discouraging, I think.

    I think that RHP has gone from pet project to business venture. I think that Russ is sufficiently
    vested in this project, that the community is so big, that the volume of information exchanged
    is so vast that he simply cannot keep up with the feedback (and can't afford to hire a full-time
    customer service representative, naturally). The site is solvent enough he can keep it afloat
    and pay his bills, but it still requires a lot of (not-so-fun) administrative work. I get it; I know
    business, having grown up with a very enthusiastic businessman for a father.

    The site clearly has enough traffic from paying members that are indifferent to (or not sufficiently
    conversant in English to use) the forums. Even within the forums, there aren't a lot of voices
    who really care about the removed players list. The best thing a politician can do with a scandal
    is ignore it, because eventually the only people remaining are those with reputations that end
    up obscuring any legitimacy in their speech (case in point: No1Marauder). By acknowledging
    the reasons for removing the list, he may end up having to discuss it with even more feedback,
    setting him behind even more, and so on and so on.

    I guess it just saddens me that it seems that Russ has become detracted. I miss that side of
    Russ which I thought permeated the whole community at first, the sort of child-like enthusiasm
    which made a magnificent chess site out of a after-work hobby. That playfulness seems to
    have been quashed by the demands of the site and its community, and I'm almost sorry that
    I've been here long enough to have seen it move in this direction.

    It's still the best correspondence chess site on the web, by a long shot; I wouldn't begin to
    debate that. But it's lost something in its massiveness, I think.

    Nemesio
  10. Standard memberflexmore
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    05 May '08 12:465 edits
    Originally posted by caissad4
    I just noticed that this site does not have a list of players who have been removed and the reasons for their removal.
    Maybe having such a list would be a good idea.
    Just a thought.
    We do not need an endlessly growing permanent list of removed (idiot) players kept forever ... to chisel the name of the cheaters in stone, and surrounded by flashing lights - while real human chess devotees just grow old and die anonymously.

    We do need just a fleeting glimpse of anyone removed in the last 2 weeks ... and a short reason, even if it is to say the reason will not be given - and then after two weeks their name is gone and lost forever in an anonymous swamp that no-one cares about.
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