1. Standard memberfinnegan
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    15 Nov '13 11:39
    Why Four Man Teams and not, say, four player leagues? Have women players got zero status here or just the usual low status?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_World_Chess_Championship_2013

    I understand why sexism reigns on the forums. I don't see why Russ cannot improve on that when labelling the site's resources.
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    15 Nov '13 12:09
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Why Four [b]Man Teams and not, say, four player leagues? Have women players got zero status here or just the usual low status?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_World_Chess_Championship_2013

    I understand why sexism reigns on the forums. I don't see why Russ cannot improve on that when labelling the site's resources.[/b]
    Could be done mylady.
    I don't think it is aggresive sexism.
  3. Standard memberRevRSleeker
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    15 Nov '13 14:19
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Why Four [b]Man Teams and not, say, four player leagues? Have women players got zero status here or just the usual low status?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_World_Chess_Championship_2013

    I understand why sexism reigns on the forums. I don't see why Russ cannot improve on that when labelling the site's resources.[/b]
    I would imagine that as long as it's not actually detracting from the 'usability' here, it's probably way down on his list of priorities, not until he's content with the new sites overall make up anyway...
    OR, and I am joking here naturally, but not until one of the myriad European Conventions on 'whatever rights we can make up this week' gets involved...that will probably be tomorrow then 😉
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    19 Nov '13 00:181 edit
    Originally posted by RevRSleeker
    I would imagine that as long as it's not actually detracting from the 'usability' here, it's probably way down on his list of priorities, not until he's content with the new sites overall make up anyway...
    OR, and I am joking here naturally, but not until one of the myriad European Conventions on 'whatever rights we can make up this week' gets involved...that will probably be tomorrow then 😉
    You seem to have mistaken this for the debating forum in which trolls and throwbacks may endlessly "debate" arguments that have been settled decades ago in the real world. If it were a debating forum I would suggest that the land that gives us the right to carry guns and the right of corporations to make unlimited and unidentified financial contributions to (corrupt) political parties is not in a good position to mock the human rights agenda of post World War 2 Europe. The alternative to rights is oppression of course. But if I suggested that you stop presenting such opinions on the forum you would doubtless refer me sternly to your right to free speech and your rights as a paid up subscriber to Red Hot Porn.

    Altering a (sexist and archaic) label in order to present a less excluding message to women players is hardly going to tax the resources of our site admin, whatever priority level may apply to this suggestion. It would take even less effort if the use of sexist terms were to be avoided in the first place. Such terms do detract from the usability of the site - but mainly if you are female of course.
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    19 Nov '13 00:27
    Originally posted by Ponderable
    Could be done mylady.
    I don't think it is aggresive sexism.
    No I am sure it is very nice little bit of sexism, my darling boy. Like being just a little bit pregnant don't you think? But I'd prefer it were not used.
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    Ever a meet a person where everything they do is a virtuous undertaking?
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    19 Nov '13 05:111 edit
    Originally posted by finnegan
    your rights as a paid up subscriber to Red Hot Porn.
    Something else on your mind?

    Do you have a problem when people say mankind? Should that phase be replaced by personkind?
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    19 Nov '13 08:51
    Originally posted by KnightStalker47
    Something else on your mind?

    Do you have a problem when people say mankind? Should that phase be replaced by personkind?
    Why not add a hu?

    In german we have Mann und Mensch which is slightly less offending in this case 😉
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    19 Nov '13 09:091 edit
    Originally posted by Ponderable
    Why not add a hu?
    Oh, you'd like that, wouldn't you. Cloak the sexism with two little innocent characters. No one ever talks about "huwomankind" and the excuse that the word doesn't quite roll off the tongue is just rationalization for sexist oppression! 😠
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    19 Nov '13 15:30
    Originally posted by finnegan
    You seem to have mistaken this for the debating forum in which trolls and throwbacks may endlessly "debate" arguments that have been settled decades ago in the real world. If it were a debating forum I would suggest that the land that gives us the right to carry guns and the right of corporations to make unlimited and unidentified financial contributions t ...[text shortened]... . Such terms do detract from the usability of the site - but mainly if you are female of course.
    Crikey, you should be up on a stage...
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    24 Nov '13 10:331 edit
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Why Four [b]Man Teams and not, say, four player leagues? Have women players got zero status here or just the usual low status?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_World_Chess_Championship_2013

    I understand why sexism reigns on the forums. I don't see why Russ cannot improve on that when labelling the site's resources.[/b]
    When women actually ARE treated as equals, and not just lip service given to equality, when we've actually won THAT fight, then I might be concerned about equal treatment on a website.
  12. Standard memberfinnegan
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    24 Nov '13 23:06
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    When women actually ARE treated as equals, and not just lip service given to equality, when we've actually won THAT fight, then I might be concerned about equal treatment on a website.
    Your attitude is disappointing (at best). Zoe Fairbairns called it false consciousness, which of course borrows from Marx. You might be curious enough to explore the various links on her web site.

    http://www.zoefairbairns.co.uk/index.htm
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