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    On the first, that is the next, day he created the firmament and called the water above the firmament:
    heaven. But wasn't heaven already created? And, is the blue sky really water? And, who created the
    other planets in the universe? And, who created universe itself?
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    18 Mar '10 08:32
    Originally posted by Jigtie
    On the first, that is the next, day he created the firmament and called the water above the firmament:
    heaven. But wasn't heaven already created? And, is the blue sky really water? And, who created the
    other planets in the universe? And, who created universe itself?
    metaphor
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    18 Mar '10 10:49
    Originally posted by Jigtie
    On the first, that is the next, day he created the firmament and called the water above the firmament:
    heaven. But wasn't heaven already created? And, is the blue sky really water? And, who created the
    other planets in the universe? And, who created universe itself?
    There is only one being that can create anything. God.

    Gen. 1:1
    In the beginning God created the heaven(singular) and the earth.

    The heaven is the universe.

    God then separated the water. Water above and water below. In between is the heaven we call the upper atmosphere.
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    18 Mar '10 10:49
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    metaphor
    Fact.
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    18 Mar '10 10:592 edits
    Originally posted by Jigtie
    On the first, that is the next, day he created the firmament and called the water above the firmament:
    heaven. But wasn't heaven already created? And, is the blue sky really water? And, who created the
    other planets in the universe? And, who created universe itself?
    The book of Genesis is not the only portion of the Bible speaking of the creation of the heavens and the earth. It is best to take in all the Bible passages on the matter for a complete revelation.

    For example all things came into existence because of the will of God -

    " ... for You have created all things, and because of Your will they were, and were created." (Rev. 4:11)

    "All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not one thing came into being which has come into being." (John 1:3)

    "The burden of the word of Jehovah concerning Israel, Thus declares Jehivah, who stretches forth the heavens and lays the foundation of the earth and forms the spirit of man within him." (Zechariah 12:1)

    "Because in Him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or lordships or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and unto Him." (Col. 1:16)

    " .... at the last of these days has spoken to us in the Son, whom He appointed Heir of all things, through whom also He made the universe (or ages)." (Hebrews 1:2)

    These are just a sample of other Bible passages on the creation of all things. There is no need to be limited to Genesis chapter 1 exclusively. The entire divine relelation repeats and fills in more details until we get a whole picture, or as whole a picture as God is pleased to tell us.

    God created the universe and all things in it.
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    18 Mar '10 12:26
    Originally posted by josephw
    Fact.
    sure budy, just don't hurt me
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    18 Mar '10 12:32
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    sure budy, just don't hurt me
    I wouldn't hurt a cute little fuzzy like you! 😉
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    07 Apr '10 04:55
    Originally posted by josephw
    The [b]heaven is the universe.

    God then separated the water. Water above and water below. In between is the heaven we call the upper atmosphere.[/b]
    Right. Universe (heaven) -> water -> sky (heaven) -> water.

    😕
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    07 Apr '10 05:29
    I've already covered this:

    http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=99098&page=2#post_1862692
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    07 Apr '10 09:41
    Originally posted by Badwater
    I've already covered this:

    http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=99098&page=2#post_1862692
    "Then again, the ignorant are always the experts. And that's all I got to say about that."

    That's what you said at the end of the cut and paste post you made.

    Now why don't you shut up!
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    07 Apr '10 10:40
    Originally posted by Jigtie
    On the first, that is the next, day he created the firmament and called the water above the firmament:
    heaven. But wasn't heaven already created? And, is the blue sky really water? And, who created the
    other planets in the universe? And, who created universe itself?
    This perculiar description of the firmament has puzzled those who take the verse in a literal way. Often people point to a different atmosphere than what we have now as a possibility. For example, before Noah's ark people lived to be about 1000 years of age but immediatly following the flood they did not live past 120 years of age. Why? Was it because a great deal of moisture might have been trapped in the atmoshpere than what we have today that had a protective element to human life? Was this moisture realeased via the flood and then evaporate off into the universe forever after the atmospheric conditions had changed?

    Of course, those who don't take Genesis literally at all glibly scoff at it as usual so it does little good asking them. Then again, if it is a metophor, what is the metephor? If they don't know, then they don't know what they are talking about, wouldn't you say?.
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    07 Apr '10 10:53
    Originally posted by whodey
    This perculiar description of the firmament has puzzled those who take the verse in a literal way. Often people point to a different atmosphere than what we have now as a possibility. For example, before Noah's ark people lived to be about 1000 years of age but immediatly following the flood they did not live past 120 years of age. Why? Was it because a g ...[text shortened]... ? If they don't know, then they don't know what they are talking about, wouldn't you say?.
    Which camp are you in, literal or metaphor?
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    07 Apr '10 23:07
    Originally posted by Jigtie
    On the first, that is the next, day he created the firmament and called the water above the firmament:
    heaven. But wasn't heaven already created? And, is the blue sky really water? And, who created the
    other planets in the universe? And, who created universe itself?
    e ski has no color it just looks blue.
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    08 Apr '10 02:58
    Originally posted by josephw
    [b]"Then again, the ignorant are always the experts. And that's all I got to say about that."

    That's what you said at the end of the cut and paste post you made.

    Now why don't you shut up![/b]
    That was not a cut and paste post. That was a summary from a seminary textbook.

    Bite me.
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    08 Apr '10 13:49
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    metaphor
    Ancient creation myth, thought up by people from a period when no-one knew better. Now that we do, it should be treated the same as all the other creation myths.

    --- Penguin.
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