Originally posted by RatX#1 casting aside your obnoxious punkisms ;
[b]#1) the bible creation story is "borrowed" from the 5th tablet of the Enuma Elish.
Please, prove this "evidence" that appears pulled from where the sun don't shine... Some Babylonian stone had some creation story in it with some similarities (six generations of gods instead of six days and the goddess Tiamat compared to the primordial ocea ...[text shortened]... tions! Like sickle-celled anemia!"
"Yes, and...?"
"I'll get back to you, you dumb s#!t"[/b]
Tiamat is not on the 5th tablet.
#2 you can fart all you want , I ain't in the same room with you.
#3 the present value of H(sub"o"} gives a + - between 14 and 16 billion years . I'd give you the formula , but my time is limited.
#4 I might get back to you, and I might not, since I owe you nothing and you haven't made a meaningful post to answer.
adding #5 so go blow some more hot-air , try and make it sound like it's speech instead of rarified crap.
Originally posted by frogstompTiamat is not on the 5th tablet.
#1 casting aside your obnoxious punkisms ;
Tiamat is not on the 5th tablet.
#2 you can fart all you want , I ain't in the same room with you.
#3 the present value of H(sub"o"} gives a + - between 14 and 16 billion years . I'd give you the formula , but my time is limited.
#4 I might get back to you, and I mig ...[text shortened]... some more hot-air , try and make it sound like it's speech instead of rarified crap.
There's fifty lines lost in the middle of the fifth tablet and perhaps the remainder of the tablet (which is missing too) was a fairy-tale disclaimer or referred to the Genesis account for its source. And, what does that have to do with anything?! Is this the best you can come up with, in trying to back up your flatulent theory?
#2 you can fart all you want, I ain't in the same room with you.
For that I am most grateful!
#3 the present value of H(sub"o"} gives a + - between 14 and 16 billion years . I'd give you the formula , but my time is limited.
The Hubble constant is not a constant - it is an estimation (which shows how wrong it could be) - be .00001 off, and the entire equation is crap...
#4 I might get back to you, and I might not, since I owe you nothing and you haven't made a meaningful post to answer.
Is this your petty disclaimer that you probably can't make any meaningful posts later?
adding #5 so go blow some more hot-air , try and make it sound like it's speech instead of rarified crap.
For a relic, you stoop pretty low when trying to insult... but it's funny anyhow - so here's to you:
By the consistency of the crap you post, it appears you haven't had a decent bowel-movement since the Reagan administration.
Originally posted by RatXonce more you have shown only your ignorance of science, reality and fundamental insulting.
[b]Tiamat is not on the 5th tablet.
There's fifty lines lost in the middle of the fifth tablet and perhaps the remainder of the tablet (which is missing too) was a fairy-tale disclaimer or referred to the Genesis account for its source. And, what does that have to do with anything?! Is this the best you can come up with, in trying to back up your flat ...[text shortened]... p you post, it appears you haven't had a decent bowel-movement since the Reagan administration.[/b]
Of course you don'r like my posts , I got news for you , they served their intended purpose and I don't need to repeat any of them to remind people that there is a big universe , full of mysteries and surprises that science deals with and doesn't need a stone-age god of hate to figure out.
Your view of the universe is stuck in the stone-age which is exactly why you cannot see. It's ok we don't need you or your kind of stupidity or the stupid god that you follow it's been a hinderance in the past , but no more. The genie is out of the bottle and THIS time it ain't going back in.
So blow off all the steam you want , you really have nothing valid to say and that's another reason I have let you slide.
You have however, earned a few scuflaws although you haven't said anything worth commenting on.
So blow it out that orifice you use to fart with. You have to sit in the pew.
Originally posted by frogstompWeak arguing - pathetic reasoning - kindergarten spelling - pointless drivel...
once more you have shown only your ignorance of science, reality and fundamental insulting.
Of course you don'r like my posts , I got news for you , they served their intended purpose and I don't need to repeat any of them to remind people that there is a big universe , full of mysteries and surprises that science deals with ...[text shortened]... on.
So blow it out that orifice you use to fart with. You have to sit in the pew.
I've answered all your questions and I request you to back up your verbal diarrhea or back out of the whole you've dug yourself into. Grow up, pal, it's no use trying to cover your lack of argument (especially on that crapload of Babylonian mythology - now that's stone-age for you) with a smoke-screen of GAD and mirrors.
You argue like matt...
"stuck in the stone-age" "you cannot see" "stupidity" "stupid god" (the fabulous cliche) "the genie is out of the bottle (drumroll please!) and cheesy ending "and it ain't going back in" (cymbals clash).
Another stolen fart joke? Ok, here goes: crowded elevator smell different to midget (of thought and reasoning) like you...
Originally posted by RatXyou really don't have anything to say, unless it's farting into the wind.
Weak arguing - pathetic reasoning - kindergarten spelling - pointless drivel...
I've answered all your questions and I request you to back up your verbal diarrhea or back out of the whole you've dug yourself into. Grow up, pal, it's no use trying to cover your lack of argument (especially on that crapload of Babylonian mythology - now that's stone-age fo ...[text shortened]... Ok, here goes: crowded elevator smell different to midget (of thought and reasoning) like you...
Both Inflationary and evolution theories fit the observed universe , your bible fits only the stone age stuff that archeologists dug up in Iraq. 'Tis a pity your pitiful brain won't let you see the facts , as it stands none of your wisecracks ( out of any of your holes ) is going to make the facts change, not now or ever.
Ziusudra's flood should have been enough to convince you, but you have your head stuck too far up your airhole to be convinced of anything except your dumb-ass bible.
Fart out of your ears , you silly man.
Then ask yourself , ummm 6000 years hmmmm Abram born at Ur hmmmmm. Oh yeah, he did INVENT a father god , his name was Anu then he converted the name to El . An ox-goad.
LMAO ,,,some God ....jeez
Originally posted by frogstompYou certainly need to learn how to get your point across - this is too much of a show of smoke-and-mirrors...
you really don't have anything to say, unless it's farting into the wind.
Both Inflationary and evolution theories fit the observed universe , your bible fits only the stone age stuff that archeologists dug up in Iraq. 'Tis a pity your pitiful brain won't let you see the facts , as it stands none of your wisecracks ...[text shortened]... ame was Anu then he converted the name to El . An ox-goad.
LMAO ,,,some God ....jeez
Back up your insults if you want them to carry any weight. I'll leave you to think up some more crap - I'm off to bed. Nite, now, froggy - I hope you find something to like besides hating everything.
PS: You are quite creative with the fart and crap jokes - haven't heard that much of them since fourth grade.
Originally posted by RatXI probably over stepped , and went for the childish approach to answer your silliness, but seeing how you speak gibberish ,,,,,well you can imagine.
You certainly need to learn how to get your point across - this is too much of a show of smoke-and-mirrors...
Back up your insults if you want them to carry any weight. I'll leave you to think up some more crap - I'm off to bed. Nite, now, froggy - I hope you find something to like besides hating everything.
PS: You are quite creative with the fart and crap jokes - haven't heard that much of them since fourth grade.
Here's a bit for you to ponder. the Universe needed no
first-cause. God couldn't have been first, since there was no place for Him to have been. Until you can grasp that you ought to (* deleted fart joke*) .... Get the message , yet?
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Originally posted by frogstompand went for the childish approach to answer your silliness
I probably over stepped , and went for the childish approach to answer your silliness, but seeing how you speak gibberish ,,,,,well you can imagine.
Here's a bit for you to ponder. the Universe needed no
first-cause. God couldn't have been first, since there was no place for Him to have been. Until you can grasp that you ought to (* deleted fart joke*) .... Get the message , yet?
A poor excuse for not being able to answer my requests; please provide evidence for the following:
1. the bible creation story is "borrowed" from the 5th tablet of Enuma Elish
2. the bible doesn't fit the observable universe, while inflationary and evolutionary do
3. my brain won't let me see the facts
4. I fart more than speak
to answer your silly little post: the Universe most certainly needed a first-cause (where did all the matter come from? Check out some of Einstein's work) and you're arguing the metaphysical from a physical perspective, which is simply obtuse. When arguing the spiritual world and metaphysics, I at least have some documentation to look to when postulating (the Bible) and you have your postulations (which, so far, don't stand up to anything - they get blown over by your own GAD). What I can say is that God lives in another dimension(s) and is self-existing and He created time, space and matter as we know it. He wasn't bound by it for he created it.
Let me give you an analogy, so it's simpler to grasp:
If I created a computer program with some form of intelligence and self-awareness, it would simply be stupid for the program to postulate that I (the creator) am trapped within their dimension.
If you still need a little more help grasping this, just ask...
Originally posted by RatX1#
[b]and went for the childish approach to answer your silliness
A poor excuse for not being able to answer my requests; please provide evidence for the following:
1. the bible creation story is "borrowed" from the 5th tablet of Enuma Elish
2. the bible doesn't fit the observable universe, while inflationary and evolutionary do
3. my brain won't ...[text shortened]... pped within their dimension.
If you still need a little more help grasping this, just ask...[/b]
The Fifth Tablet ( in part )
1. He made the stations for the great gods;
2. The stars, their images, as the stars of the Zodiac, he fixed.
3. He ordained the year and into sections he divided it;
4. For the twelve months he fixed three stars.
5. After he had [...] the days of the year [...] images,
6. He founded the station of Nibir 1to determine their bounds;
7. That none might err or go astray,
8. He set the station of Bêl and Ea along with him.
9. He opened great gates on both sides,
10. He made strong the bolt on the left and on the right.
11. In the midst thereof he fixed the zenith;
12. The Moon-god he caused to shine forth, the night he entrusted to him.
13. He appointed him, a being of the night, to determine the days;
14. Every month without ceasing with the crown he covered(?) him, (saying):
15. "At the beginning of the month, when thou shinest upon the land,
16. "Thou commandest the horns to determine six days,
17. "And on the seventh day to [divide] the crown.
18. "On the fourteenth day thou shalt stand opposite, the half [...].
19. "When the Sun-god on the foundation of heaven [...]
Originally posted by RatX#2
[b]and went for the childish approach to answer your silliness
A poor excuse for not being able to answer my requests; please provide evidence for the following:
1. the bible creation story is "borrowed" from the 5th tablet of Enuma Elish
2. the bible doesn't fit the observable universe, while inflationary and evolutionary do
3. my brain won't ...[text shortened]... pped within their dimension.
If you still need a little more help grasping this, just ask...[/b]
Did enough of that already.
#3 is you just want to believe so you do.
#4 try a cork
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Originally posted by frogstompThanks for a silly summary of some ancient astrology - the Genesis account and its sequence of events are entirely different. Where's the proof?
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The Fifth Tablet ( in part )
1. He made the stations for the great gods;
2. The stars, their images, as the stars of the Zodiac, he fixed.
3. He ordained the year and into sections he divided it;
4. For the twelve months he fixed three stars.
5. After he had [...] the days of the year [...] images,
6. He founded the station of Nibir 1to determ ...[text shortened]... shalt stand opposite, the half [...].
19. "When the Sun-god on the foundation of heaven [...]
Ultimately, I don't give a rat's @$$ what your tablets contain, unless you can give me some proof that the Genesis account has anything to with some astrological scratchings on a clay tablet...
- happy stomping
Originally posted by RatXI don't particularly care what you think about the 5th tablet, or the 6th and 7th day. The fact is that that tablet predates your goat-herding bible and that it is only the tip of the iceberg.
Thanks for a silly summary of some ancient astrology - the Genesis account and its sequence of events are entirely different. Where's the proof?
Ultimately, I don't give a rat's @$$ what your tablets contain, unless you can give me some proof that the Genesis account has anything to with some astrological scratchings on a clay tablet...
- happy stomping
The other stories about the flood are Sumerian and Akkadian.
The bible god El was Baal's father and in hebrew pictograph it stood for ox- goad.
An (Sumerian) became AL ( arabic) and EL (hebrew).
You might not like it but that's tough.
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Originally posted by frogstompSo basically, what you're saying is "if it's older, it must be better". You have absolutely no proof that any of these writing influenced each other (although the events of history may have).
I don't particularly care what you think about the 5th tablet, or the 6th and 7th day. The fact is that that tablet predates your goat-herding bible and that it is only the tip of the iceberg.
The other stories about the flood are Sumerian and Akkadian.
The bible god El was Baal's father and in hebrew pictograph it stood for ...[text shortened]... erian) became AL ( arabic) and EL (hebrew).
You might not like it but that's tough.
I admit that these tablets are some the oldest records of writing in history, but that doesn't mean it precedes the Bible. It just precedes the oldest known record of the Bible.
Certain parts of Genesis in particular, were probably written before the flood (and taken on the ark as tablets, which was the parchment of the day) - as you probably know, there were several authors to Genesis and these writings were compiled by Moses, who completed the record from where they left off... Jewish Historians propose, by study of the various styles of writing through Genesis, that the first part of the authorship isn't definitive (some claim it was directly dictated to Adam by God in Eden), the second part Adam (2:4 - 5:1a), the third, Noah (5:1b - 6:9a) and so on... The other authors are thought to be Noah's sons, Terah, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Jacob's sons - then Moses. Jesus accepted Mosaical authorship as well (John 5:46-47).
Pray-tell, how does a Bible goat-herd? Or is this a weak attempt at insult?
When it comes to stories of the flood, you seem to be missing some - there are many flood legends (at least 35 when I last checked), from China to Hawaii to Sumeria. While many have become mythological, I find that these flood stories point to a real flood (why would so many cultures, unconnected for centuries, share the flood story so similar?) You can't say that because an older tablet was found containing a flood story, that the Bible stole its resource. There's no logic or reason in there - it wouldn't last two minutes in court...
Please point me to some viable resource when it comes to your other claims because you're simply throwing this up as evidence, but right now, all I see is a pathetic show of smoke and mirrors... you might not like it, but that's tough. I'm tired of your posts that don't answer questions, but appear to be someone yelling and hopping around pounding their chest...