Originally posted by twhitehead No, I do not think it is wrong that you eat them. However, in your OP, you imply that people buying them is an indication that they are pagans. Is this true or not? Maybe you just have a lot of people in the UK who agree with you that they are tasty and the reason so many get sold has more to do with the massive marketing campaign than anything to do with being pagan (or not).
they buy them for the wrong, pagan reasons. that makes them pagans. whereas robbie buys them to indulge his greedy appetite. that makes him a sinner.
Originally posted by Zahlanzi they buy them for the wrong, pagan reasons. that makes them pagans. whereas robbie buys them to indulge his greedy appetite. that makes him a sinner.
Who is 'they'? Is Robbie the only sinner and all the rest are pagans?
What 'pagan reasons' can you suggest for people buying easter eggs?
Originally posted by robbie carrobie sure but dont you think they are pagan, a sign of fertility? like the Easter bunny rabbit?
Yes, I am sure the origin of the tradition has to do with spring and fertility. Whether that is 'pagan' is debatable. Animals are just as fertile in spring whether or not you are Christian or pagan. Celebrating that fertility might be against your beliefs, but it is not necessarily pagan.
But the vast majority of easter egg buyers do so for traditional reasons not religious ones regardless of the origin of the tradition.
Originally posted by divegeester Easter is of pagan origin, ...
Conrau K argued very convincingly (in Thread 138990 "memorial of Christs death" ) that Easter is not of pagan origin, even if the name and some associated traditions are.
Originally posted by Zahlanzi they buy them for the wrong, pagan reasons. that makes them pagans. whereas robbie buys them to indulge his greedy appetite. that makes him a sinner.
Originally posted by twhitehead Conrau K argued very convincingly (in Thread 138990 "memorial of Christs death" ) that Easter is not of pagan origin, even if the name and some associated traditions are.
I don't celebrate any dates or festivals religiously but I do believe Easter as a festival is of pagan origin. That thread you have linked to was more about the date of Eucharist or passover/last supper and how it should be remembered in terms of frequency and significance. As you are probably aware Catholicism is tradition bound and will always defend the origins of those traditions as well as the significance of their festivities and the authenticity of their relics etc. Here are a couple of links to sites discussing Easter in terms of name, association and inference to events of Biblical origin (which you may not accept but I do). I've copy pasted an edited section of one piece of text from a Christian site which explains using Biblical references the origin of Easter:
Easter is a day that is honoured by nearly all of contemporary Christianity and is used to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The holiday often involves a church service at sunrise, a feast which includes an "Easter Ham", decorated eggs and stories about rabbits. The first thing we must understand is that professing Christians were not the only ones who celebrated a festival called "Easter." "Ishtar", which is pronounced "Easter" was a day that commemorated the resurrection of one of their gods that they called "Tammuz", who was believed to be the only begotten son of the moon-goddess and the sun-god.
In those ancient times, there was a man named Nimrod, who was the grandson of one of Noah's son named Ham. Ham had a son named Cush who married a woman named Semiramis. Cush and Semiramis then had a son named him "Nimrod." After the death of his father, Nimrod married his own mother and became a powerful King. The Bible tells of of this man, Nimrod, in Genesis 10:8-10 as follows: "And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord. And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad,and Calneh, in the land of Shinar."
Nimrod became a god-man to the people and Semiramis, his wife and mother, became the powerful Queen of ancient Babylon. Nimrod was eventually killed by an enemy, and his body was cut in pieces and sent to various parts of his kingdom. Semiramis had all of the parts gathered, except for one part that could not be found. That missing part was his reproductive organ. Semiramis claimed that Nimrod could not come back to life without it and told the people of Babylon that Nimrod had ascended to the sun and was now to be called "Baal", the sun god.
Queen Semiramis also proclaimed that Baal would be present on earth in the form of a flame, whether candle or lamp, when used in worship. Semiramis was creating a mystery religion, and with the help of Satan, she set herself up as a goddess. Semiramis claimed that she was immaculately conceived. She taught that the moon was a goddess that went through a 28 day cycle and ovulated when full. She further claimed that she came down from the moon in a giant moon egg that fell into the Euphrates River. This was to have happened at the time of the first full moon after the spring equinox.
Semiramis became known as "Ishtar" which is pronounced "Easter", and her moon egg became known as "Ishtar's" egg." Ishtar soon became pregnant and claimed that it was the rays of the sun-god Baal that caused her to conceive. The son that she brought forth was named Tammuz. Tammuz was noted to be especially fond of rabbits, and they became sacred in the ancient religion, because Tammuz was believed to be the son of the sun-god, Baal. Tammuz, like his supposed father, became a hunter. The day came when Tammuz was killed by a wild pig.
Queen Ishtar told the people that Tammuz was now ascended to his father, Baal, and that the two of them would be with the worshippers in the sacred candle or lamp flame as Father, Son and Spirit. Ishtar, who was now worshipped as the "Mother of God and Queen of Heaven", continued to build her mystery religion. The queen told the worshippers that when Tammuz was killed by the wild pig, some of his blood fell on the stump of an evergreen tree, and the stump grew into a full new tree overnight. This made the evergreen tree sacred by the blood of Tammuz. She also proclaimed a forty day period of time of sorrow each year prior to the anniversary of the death of Tammuz. During this time, no meat was to be eaten.
Worshippers were to meditate upon the sacred mysteries of Baal and Tammuz, and to make the sign of the "T" in front of their hearts as they worshipped. They also ate sacred cakes with the marking of a "T" or cross on the top. Every year, on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox, a celebration was made. It was Ishtar's Sunday and was celebrated with rabbits and eggs.
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