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31 Jan 13
Originally posted by Galveston79 in 'Guns' thread.
"But the second a person picks up a weapon to kill another human and actually does kill, God "WILL" ask back the blood of that dead one. A serious fact that most do not understand"
However in 1 Samuel 15 (and in other examples in the OT) we read:
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
and of God's nature we also read:
Malachi 3:6a
I am the LORD, I change not
and
James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom is no varying, and no shadow of turning.
How do you as Jehovah's Witnesses reconcile not only that God has killed, but that he states that he does not change, with your pontification on pacifism and pious statements such as this one at the top of the OP?
Originally posted by caissad4Christianity is based upon the teachings of Christ, a Christian is one who adopts and applies those teachings. To talk of the nature of Christianity and to state that it is merely cultural is to completely miss its import, for Christianity transcends every known barrier, ethnic, religious, educational and national. You really should learn to differentiate between the actions of those who profess to be Christians and the teachings of Christ himself, who knows, you may even reach enlightenment in the process, I did.
The nature of Christianity mirrors the nature of man. It is merely culture masquerading as religion. Today it says one thing, yesterday something else, tomorrow will be another story.
31 Jan 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI am sure he is better off staying away from your type of enlightenment that comes from the Watchtower Society and not from the true "light of the World" - that being Christ Himself. 😏
Christianity is based upon the teachings of Christ, a Christian is one who adopts and applies those teachings. To talk of the nature of Christianity and to state that it is merely cultural is to completely miss its import, for Christianity transcends every known barrier, ethnic, religious, educational and national. You really should learn to diffe ...[text shortened]... teachings of Christ himself, who knows, you may even reach enlightenment in the process, I did.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
31 Jan 13
Originally posted by RJHindsI did not mentioned the watchtower and Bible tract society, you did, but seeing that you are here what did Jesus teach us about the use of weapons?
I am sure he is better off staying away from your type of enlightenment that comes from the Watchtower Society and not from the true "light of the World" - that being Christ Himself. 😏
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
31 Jan 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI only recall the sword incident with Peter cutting off the ear of the soldier to protect Jesus. So the lessons was to not use the sword to hastily. 😏
I did not ask you what man instinctively knows, you claim you are a Christian, what did Jesus teach with regard to the use of weapons?
31 Jan 13
Originally posted by RJHindsNo the lesson was he who lives by the sword will perish by the sword, you made a living as a soldier, someone trained to kill other people, how is that in accordance with Christ words, to return the sword to its place?
I only recall the sword incident with Peter cutting off the ear of the soldier to protect Jesus. So the lessons was to not use the sword to hastily. 😏
31 Jan 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell I don't consider myself living by the sword and I am nearly 69 years old, and I will more likely die of some old age disease, like heart attack, than by the sword. So maybe you are taking that phrase out of context and it means something different than you make out. 😏
No the lesson was he who lives by the sword will perish by the sword, you made a living as a soldier, someone trained to kill other people, how is that in accordance with Christ words, to return the sword to its place?
31 Jan 13
Originally posted by RJHindsThe point is Ron, yes you would still kill in a heart beat if you felt you had to and even more importantly you would do it in half a heart beat if your country told you to.
Well I don't consider myself living by the sword and I am nearly 69 years old, and I will more likely die of some old age disease, like heart attack, than by the sword. So maybe you are taking that phrase out of context and it means something different than you make out. 😏
This is who you have followed in your life, your country, not Jesus. And you have made that clearly known over and over and over to everyone here.
We all clearly know where your allegiance is and it is not with Jesus.
31 Jan 13
Originally posted by caissad4No iti sn't. Man has used it to their own selfish ends and that is the problem. If one or many truly followed the teachings of Jesus and actually applied them to all aspects of their life's the world would be a completely different place.
The nature of Christianity mirrors the nature of man. It is merely culture masquerading as religion. Today it says one thing, yesterday something else, tomorrow will be another story.
For one as Robbie is bringing up with ones like RJH, the issues with killings by guns, itwould be a much safer world if ones really applied what Jesus taught.
Right?
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31 Jan 13
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAre you in any way at all going to address the point in the OP, or shall we dance the dance of deflection once again?
Christianity is based upon the teachings of Christ, a Christian is one who adopts and applies those teachings. To talk of the nature of Christianity and to state that it is merely cultural is to completely miss its import, for Christianity transcends every known barrier, ethnic, religious, educational and national. You really should learn to diffe ...[text shortened]... teachings of Christ himself, who knows, you may even reach enlightenment in the process, I did.
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31 Jan 13
Originally posted by galveston75Are you in any way at all going to address the point in the OP, or shall we dance the dance of deflection once again?
The point is Ron, yes you would still kill in a heart beat if you felt you had to and even more importantly you would do it in half a heart beat if your country told you to.
This is who you have followed in your life, your country, not Jesus. And you have made that clearly known over and over and over to everyone here.
We all clearly know where your allegiance is and it is not with Jesus.
31 Jan 13
Originally posted by divegeesterNope. Sorry. We have discussed this in length quite recently, so I bow out. I really get tired orf repeating something we have already discussed. By.
Are you in any way at all going to address the point in the OP, or shall we dance the dance of deflection once again?