08 Jul 15
It is my current belief that I was created, that the earth and the universe was created. This belief is in conflict with atheists, but, I think it's because we humans have tried to put a 'name' (God/Jesus), to this creator, and a character to this 'creator' by what is written in the Bible.
I have had many current inner conflicts with the Bible, and the 'God/Jesus' that is portrayed in our Bible. This is of course coming from a Christian point of view.
Is it possible that everything was 'created' by something, or someone.....and we truly have NO idea who that is?
This attitude is from the point of view that our 'Bible' could be completely 'made-up', thus rendering Bible verses to be inadequate in a discussion. Realistically, the God/Jesus doctrine doesn't make sense at all. There are too, too many interpretations and disagreements among Christians themselves to give our Bible any credence. Will anybody admit that we were possibly 'created', but......we have NO idea who this 'Creator' really is?
Originally posted by chaney3We could have been created by very intelligent aliens.
It is my current belief that I was created, that the earth and the universe was created. This belief is in conflict with atheists, but, I think it's because we humans have tried to put a 'name' (God/Jesus), to this creator, and a character to this 'creator' by what is written in the Bible.
I have had many current inner conflicts with the Bible, and the ' ...[text shortened]... dy admit that we were possibly 'created', but......we have NO idea who this 'Creator' really is?
No conflict with atheism there.
08 Jul 15
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemYes, there is a problem. If we were created by aliens, then we would have been created. Atheists believe we were just evolved from nothing, in a swamp. Get your facts straight dog.
We could have been created by very intelligent aliens.
No conflict with atheism there.
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08 Jul 15
Originally posted by chaney3Who are you to tell atheists what they believe, when by definition they are defined only by what they do not believe?
Yes, there is a problem. If we were created by aliens, then we would have been created. Atheists believe we were just evolved from nothing, in a swamp. Get your facts straight dog.
08 Jul 15
Originally posted by chaney3So you believe the Creator did not want us to know how we were created?
It is my current belief that I was created, that the earth and the universe was created. This belief is in conflict with atheists, but, I think it's because we humans have tried to put a 'name' (God/Jesus), to this creator, and a character to this 'creator' by what is written in the Bible.
I have had many current inner conflicts with the Bible, and the ' ...[text shortened]... dy admit that we were possibly 'created', but......we have NO idea who this 'Creator' really is?
08 Jul 15
Originally posted by JS357Atheists do not believe in a 'God'. I think that some atheists believe in a 'creator' that does not limit them to Biblical belief.
Who are you to tell atheists what they believe, when by definition they are defined only by what they do not believe?
08 Jul 15
Originally posted by RJHindsI believe that our creator may not be the God in the Bible. If so, the Adam and Eve story and all sin.........leading up to Jesus Christ is false. We may not have a clue who our creator is.
So you believe the Creator did not want us to know how we were created?
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Originally posted by chaney3You must be referring to Richard Dawkins who wrote the book called "The God Delusion." He has admitted that aliens from another world may have been the creators, but defintely not the God of the Holy Bible.
Atheists do not believe in a 'God'. I think that some atheists believe in a 'creator' that does not limit them to Biblical belief.
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08 Jul 15
Originally posted by chaney3If you believe in a universe-creating god of some kind, but don't believe we know anything specific about this god (its intentions, personality, etc.), then you're a deist, not an atheist. As an atheist I can freely admit that there could exist such a god, but I don't believe it right now - what makes me an atheist.
It is my current belief that I was created, that the earth and the universe was created. This belief is in conflict with atheists, but, I think it's because we humans have tried to put a 'name' (God/Jesus), to this creator, and a character to this 'creator' by what is written in the Bible.
I have had many current inner conflicts with the Bible, and the ' ...[text shortened]... dy admit that we were possibly 'created', but......we have NO idea who this 'Creator' really is?
Of course, a deist (at least as far as I know) believes that this god created the universe and then left it to its own devices, so if you believe that this god also intervenes, and specifically created the earth (and life), I don't really know what that makes you.
But it's all just labels anyway. It doesn't really matter, I suppose.
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08 Jul 15
Originally posted by chaney3No, that's not what "atheists" automatically believe. That we evolved from simpler forms of life is what evolutionary scientists have discovered, some of whom are indeed atheists, but not all. I suspect you're talking about abiogenesis though, which is about how the first life formed through chemistry, which is also not necessarily an atheistic belief.
Yes, there is a problem. If we were created by aliens, then we would have been created. Atheists believe we were just evolved from nothing, in a swamp. Get your facts straight dog.
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08 Jul 15
Originally posted by RJHindsThe point he made was that this kind of question only leads to infinite regress. If aliens created us, who created them? If aliens created us, specifically, they must have evolved naturally, or have been created themselves. It's not an answer, let alone an atheistic one.
You must be referring to Richard Dawkins who wrote the book called "The God Delusion." He has admitted that aliens from another world may have been the creators, but defintely not the God of the Holy Bible.
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Originally posted by chaney3Your opinion that the Bible lacks veracity, contains errors and does not represent your beliefs has been repeatedly and somewhat exhaustingly presented by yourself in this forum in recent weeks. What you have not done is present any evidence, or even a reasoned subjective argument, as to why you think you (humans) were created, by whom, when and how; nor what the impact this has your world view, your attitudes and indeed your behaviour online and in the 'real world'.
It is my current belief that I was created, that the earth and the universe was created. This belief is in conflict with atheists, but, I think it's because we humans have tried to put a 'name' (God/Jesus), to this creator, and a character to this 'creator' by what is written in the Bible.
I have had many current inner conflicts with the Bible, and the ' ...[text shortened]... dy admit that we were possibly 'created', but......we have NO idea who this 'Creator' really is?
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Originally posted by C HessRichard Dawkins admits to Intelligent Design
The point he made was that this kind of question only leads to infinite regress. If aliens created us, who created them? If aliens created us, specifically, they must have evolved naturally, or have been created themselves. It's not an answer, let alone an atheistic one.
Here Frank Turek sums up the real problem facing Richard Dawkins.
08 Jul 15
Originally posted by chaney3"Is it possible that everything was 'created' by something, or someone.....and we truly have NO idea who that is?"
It is my current belief that I was created, that the earth and the universe was created. This belief is in conflict with atheists, but, I think it's because we humans have tried to put a 'name' (God/Jesus), to this creator, and a character to this 'creator' by what is written in the Bible.
I have had many current inner conflicts with the Bible, and the ' ...[text shortened]... dy admit that we were possibly 'created', but......we have NO idea who this 'Creator' really is?
Yes and no. Maybe you don't know who God/Jesus is, but that's your problem. Don't just assume that just because you don't know who God or Jesus is that someone else doesn't either.
"There are too, too many interpretations and disagreements among Christians themselves to give our Bible any credence."
That's your perspective! That fact is there's little disagreement among those that truly know and understand the Bible. Just because there is a contingent of "disbelievers", such as yourself that "disbelieve" the Word of God, that doesn't mean the Word of God isn't true.
And by the way, just exactly what are those things you seem to think divides the church that the Bible teaches? Rather than making moronic generalized statements why don't you cite an example or two of those things you seem to think Christians are in disagreement about!
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YOU have no idea who the creator is! Speak for yourself.