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    08 Jul '15 01:56
    It is my current belief that I was created, that the earth and the universe was created. This belief is in conflict with atheists, but, I think it's because we humans have tried to put a 'name' (God/Jesus), to this creator, and a character to this 'creator' by what is written in the Bible.

    I have had many current inner conflicts with the Bible, and the 'God/Jesus' that is portrayed in our Bible. This is of course coming from a Christian point of view.

    Is it possible that everything was 'created' by something, or someone.....and we truly have NO idea who that is?

    This attitude is from the point of view that our 'Bible' could be completely 'made-up', thus rendering Bible verses to be inadequate in a discussion. Realistically, the God/Jesus doctrine doesn't make sense at all. There are too, too many interpretations and disagreements among Christians themselves to give our Bible any credence. Will anybody admit that we were possibly 'created', but......we have NO idea who this 'Creator' really is?
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    08 Jul '15 04:12
    Originally posted by chaney3
    It is my current belief that I was created, that the earth and the universe was created. This belief is in conflict with atheists, but, I think it's because we humans have tried to put a 'name' (God/Jesus), to this creator, and a character to this 'creator' by what is written in the Bible.

    I have had many current inner conflicts with the Bible, and the ' ...[text shortened]... dy admit that we were possibly 'created', but......we have NO idea who this 'Creator' really is?
    We could have been created by very intelligent aliens.

    No conflict with atheism there.
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    08 Jul '15 04:19
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    We could have been created by very intelligent aliens.

    No conflict with atheism there.
    Yes, there is a problem. If we were created by aliens, then we would have been created. Atheists believe we were just evolved from nothing, in a swamp. Get your facts straight dog.
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    08 Jul '15 04:39
    Originally posted by chaney3
    Yes, there is a problem. If we were created by aliens, then we would have been created. Atheists believe we were just evolved from nothing, in a swamp. Get your facts straight dog.
    Who are you to tell atheists what they believe, when by definition they are defined only by what they do not believe?
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    08 Jul '15 04:39
    Originally posted by chaney3
    It is my current belief that I was created, that the earth and the universe was created. This belief is in conflict with atheists, but, I think it's because we humans have tried to put a 'name' (God/Jesus), to this creator, and a character to this 'creator' by what is written in the Bible.

    I have had many current inner conflicts with the Bible, and the ' ...[text shortened]... dy admit that we were possibly 'created', but......we have NO idea who this 'Creator' really is?
    So you believe the Creator did not want us to know how we were created?
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    08 Jul '15 04:42
    Originally posted by JS357
    Who are you to tell atheists what they believe, when by definition they are defined only by what they do not believe?
    Atheists do not believe in a 'God'. I think that some atheists believe in a 'creator' that does not limit them to Biblical belief.
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    08 Jul '15 04:43
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    So you believe the Creator did not want us to know how we were created?
    I believe that our creator may not be the God in the Bible. If so, the Adam and Eve story and all sin.........leading up to Jesus Christ is false. We may not have a clue who our creator is.
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    08 Jul '15 05:511 edit
    Originally posted by chaney3
    Atheists do not believe in a 'God'. I think that some atheists believe in a 'creator' that does not limit them to Biblical belief.
    You must be referring to Richard Dawkins who wrote the book called "The God Delusion." He has admitted that aliens from another world may have been the creators, but defintely not the God of the Holy Bible.
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    08 Jul '15 06:01
    Originally posted by chaney3
    Atheists do not believe in a 'God'. I think that some atheists believe in a 'creator' that does not limit them to Biblical belief.
    At least you are broad minded, thanks for that.
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    08 Jul '15 06:17
    Originally posted by chaney3
    It is my current belief that I was created, that the earth and the universe was created. This belief is in conflict with atheists, but, I think it's because we humans have tried to put a 'name' (God/Jesus), to this creator, and a character to this 'creator' by what is written in the Bible.

    I have had many current inner conflicts with the Bible, and the ' ...[text shortened]... dy admit that we were possibly 'created', but......we have NO idea who this 'Creator' really is?
    If you believe in a universe-creating god of some kind, but don't believe we know anything specific about this god (its intentions, personality, etc.), then you're a deist, not an atheist. As an atheist I can freely admit that there could exist such a god, but I don't believe it right now - what makes me an atheist.

    Of course, a deist (at least as far as I know) believes that this god created the universe and then left it to its own devices, so if you believe that this god also intervenes, and specifically created the earth (and life), I don't really know what that makes you.

    But it's all just labels anyway. It doesn't really matter, I suppose.
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    08 Jul '15 06:28
    Originally posted by chaney3
    Yes, there is a problem. If we were created by aliens, then we would have been created. Atheists believe we were just evolved from nothing, in a swamp. Get your facts straight dog.
    No, that's not what "atheists" automatically believe. That we evolved from simpler forms of life is what evolutionary scientists have discovered, some of whom are indeed atheists, but not all. I suspect you're talking about abiogenesis though, which is about how the first life formed through chemistry, which is also not necessarily an atheistic belief.
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    08 Jul '15 06:36
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    You must be referring to Richard Dawkins who wrote the book called "The God Delusion." He has admitted that aliens from another world may have been the creators, but defintely not the God of the Holy Bible.
    The point he made was that this kind of question only leads to infinite regress. If aliens created us, who created them? If aliens created us, specifically, they must have evolved naturally, or have been created themselves. It's not an answer, let alone an atheistic one.
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    08 Jul '15 09:231 edit
    Originally posted by chaney3
    It is my current belief that I was created, that the earth and the universe was created. This belief is in conflict with atheists, but, I think it's because we humans have tried to put a 'name' (God/Jesus), to this creator, and a character to this 'creator' by what is written in the Bible.

    I have had many current inner conflicts with the Bible, and the ' ...[text shortened]... dy admit that we were possibly 'created', but......we have NO idea who this 'Creator' really is?
    Your opinion that the Bible lacks veracity, contains errors and does not represent your beliefs has been repeatedly and somewhat exhaustingly presented by yourself in this forum in recent weeks. What you have not done is present any evidence, or even a reasoned subjective argument, as to why you think you (humans) were created, by whom, when and how; nor what the impact this has your world view, your attitudes and indeed your behaviour online and in the 'real world'.
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    08 Jul '15 09:321 edit
    Originally posted by C Hess
    The point he made was that this kind of question only leads to infinite regress. If aliens created us, who created them? If aliens created us, specifically, they must have evolved naturally, or have been created themselves. It's not an answer, let alone an atheistic one.
    Richard Dawkins admits to Intelligent Design

    YouTube

    Here Frank Turek sums up the real problem facing Richard Dawkins.
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    08 Jul '15 11:33
    Originally posted by chaney3
    It is my current belief that I was created, that the earth and the universe was created. This belief is in conflict with atheists, but, I think it's because we humans have tried to put a 'name' (God/Jesus), to this creator, and a character to this 'creator' by what is written in the Bible.

    I have had many current inner conflicts with the Bible, and the ' ...[text shortened]... dy admit that we were possibly 'created', but......we have NO idea who this 'Creator' really is?
    "Is it possible that everything was 'created' by something, or someone.....and we truly have NO idea who that is?"

    Yes and no. Maybe you don't know who God/Jesus is, but that's your problem. Don't just assume that just because you don't know who God or Jesus is that someone else doesn't either.

    "There are too, too many interpretations and disagreements among Christians themselves to give our Bible any credence."

    That's your perspective! That fact is there's little disagreement among those that truly know and understand the Bible. Just because there is a contingent of "disbelievers", such as yourself that "disbelieve" the Word of God, that doesn't mean the Word of God isn't true.

    And by the way, just exactly what are those things you seem to think divides the church that the Bible teaches? Rather than making moronic generalized statements why don't you cite an example or two of those things you seem to think Christians are in disagreement about!

    1b]".., but......we have NO idea who this 'Creator' really is?"[/b]

    YOU have no idea who the creator is! Speak for yourself.
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