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    01 Nov '09 22:331 edit
    For atheists only please.

    And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

    This is an interesting statement from Jesus. How do you reply?
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    02 Nov '09 00:47
    Originally posted by josephw
    For atheists only please.

    And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

    This is an interesting statement from Jesus. How do you reply?
    From what I can tell, the vast majority of Christians don't believe the teachings of Jesus, but instead choose to believe in what others taught - in the Bible and otherwise. So what's your point?
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    02 Nov '09 01:04
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    From what I can tell, the vast majority of Christians don't believe the teachings of Jesus, but instead choose to believe in what others taught - in the Bible and otherwise. So what's your point?
    If you're not an atheist get off my thread, otherwise simply reply to the question.
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    02 Nov '09 05:09
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    From what I can tell, the vast majority of Christians don't believe the teachings of Jesus, but instead choose to believe in what others taught - in the Bible and otherwise. So what's your point?
    I suppose its because Christians are the most hypocritical and evil human beings to walk the face of the earth. In fact, the world would be a utopia without them.

    Of course, I don't believe this, rather, I was just trying to put a smile on your face.
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    02 Nov '09 05:42
    Originally posted by josephw
    For atheists only please.

    And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

    This is an interesting statement from Jesus. How do you reply?
    Did ye lie to that other guy? (the Christian).
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    02 Nov '09 06:01
    Originally posted by josephw
    For atheists only please.

    And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

    This is an interesting statement from Jesus. How do you reply?
    Without looking at the surrounding context, and just taking that statement on its own—

    Because I tell you the truth about the Tao, you don’t believe me. If I lied, and said that Jesus is the incarnate child of a supernatural god-being, then you’d believe me…

    It makes about as much sense as that…
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    02 Nov '09 07:21
    Originally posted by josephw
    For atheists only please.

    And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

    This is an interesting statement from Jesus. How do you reply?
    In all honesty? With a smiley...🙂 Geez man-you are one of the most troublesome,yet interesting and engageable people on here... You heard of 'Zen masters'?
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    02 Nov '09 10:421 edit
    Originally posted by josephw
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    And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

    This is an interesting statement from Jesus.
    please were is this quote, so i may look it up
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    02 Nov '09 11:16
    Originally posted by stoker
    please were is this quote, so i may look it up
    John 8
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    15 Nov '09 03:56
    Originally posted by vistesd
    Without looking at the surrounding context, and just taking that statement on its own—

    Because I tell you the truth about the Tao, you don’t believe me. If I lied, and said that Jesus is the incarnate child of a supernatural god-being, then you’d believe me…

    It makes about as much sense as that…
    So it doesn't make sense to you what Jesus said?

    "And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not."

    Of course without the context it may not appear to make sense, but even by itself something can be gleaned.

    It's a simple sentence. I believe the "ye" is the key to making sense of this statement.

    The hearer hears the truth, but doesn't believe it. Is it any wonder that those who deny Jesus are the ones who deny that there is truth? They have to say that. For them to acknowledge there is truth would undermine their perception of reality, which is no reality because there is no reality. At least not a reality that contains any truth.
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    15 Nov '09 03:58
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    In all honesty? With a smiley...🙂 Geez man-you are one of the most troublesome,yet interesting and engageable people on here... You heard of 'Zen masters'?
    If you knew me you wouldn't think so. 😉
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    15 Nov '09 05:52
    Originally posted by josephw
    For atheists only please.

    And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

    This is an interesting statement from Jesus. How do you reply?
    This is classic prophet-speak - obfuscation and misdirection.
    Make the non-believer look as if their non-belief is the problem.
    I reply with a bit of a yawn to be honest ... this is meaningless drivel. Which might be another good description for the bible actually - the books of meaningless drivel.
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    15 Nov '09 07:22
    Originally posted by josephw
    For atheists only please.

    And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

    This is an interesting statement from Jesus. How do you reply?
    And again, single verses taken from their surrounding context are meaningless.
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    15 Nov '09 07:59
    Originally posted by josephw
    For atheists only please.

    And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

    This is an interesting statement from Jesus. How do you reply?
    Why is it interesting? If this is a true statement it is paradoxical because to the 'ye' it appears a lie, so to the unbeliever it is useless and serves only to Jesus' self-affirmation. Now that I think of it, he does seem to enjoy self-help rhetoric....
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    15 Nov '09 11:00
    Originally posted by josephw
    If you knew me you wouldn't think so. 😉
    This is a public forum bud.
    So if we were one on one I may say something totally different.
    So you don't think you are troublesome,engaging and interesting?
    This is not an accurate way to describe you based on your posts?
    Is it posssible to get to know you?(in the context of this thread?)
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