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Originally posted by FreakyKBHI suppose you could look at it that way, but this isn't something I would claim.
So, in essence, evolution gave us this coping mechanism. Interesting.
-JC
Originally posted by HalitoseI thought earlier you said only that it was "highly unlikely" there was no FSM?
Careful. You're treading towards aflyingspaghettimonsterism!
Yes, but this would be because I'm committed to the exclusive claim of Christianity -- I would not be arguing from the absence of proof, but rather use the theistic "proofs" of Christianity to end up excluding the FSM by the law of non-contradiction.
Originally posted by dottewellI thought earlier you said only that it was "highly unlikely" there was no FSM?
I thought earlier you said only that it was "highly unlikely" there was no FSM?
You can of think of other examples (e.g. is there a live blue whale buried in your back garden?) where absence of proof IS the issue and which do not conflict with your world view. I guess in such cases you would be prepared to state a belief that something does not e ...[text shortened]... istence to be extremely likely, but I accept it cannot be proven", are they too an agnostic?
Originally posted by Halitose[/b]Is anybody NOT an agnostic, by your definition?
[b]I thought earlier you said only that it was "highly unlikely" there was no FSM?
Christian "proofs" are at best "highly likely" making the converse ---
You see the point, at least.
Sure.
If someone says: "I believe in God; I consider his existence to be extremely likely, but I accept it cannot be proven", are they too an agnosti ...[text shortened]... belief that there can be no proof either that God exists or that God does not exist.[/i]
Originally posted by dottewellI submit that a verdict can be reached if the definition(s) of God are sufficiently qualified and a sufficient amount of evidence has been perused. Obviously it would not be a mathematical proof, but in which other field can one prove anything with 100% certainty.
Is anybody NOT an agnostic, by your definition?[/b]
Originally posted by FreakyKBHFear of death is part of survival. Our invention of the after-life is not. I'm not one to categorize every aspect of human psychology as an evolved trait, though you could think of it that way without being entirely incorrect. I would place it more within the realm of cultural evolution, since not all societies believe(d) in life after death.
Well, the first one-word sentence you offered was "Survival," was it not? What did you mean by that, if not what I have surmised?
Originally posted by ChurlantI'm not afraid of dying. Why should I be. Its a constant companion, part of the human condition
Fear of death is part of survival. Our invention of the after-life is not. I'm not one to categorize every aspect of human psychology as an evolved trait, though you could think of it that way without being entirely incorrect. I would place it more within the realm of cultural evolution, since not all societies believe(d) in life after death.
-JC
Originally posted by ChurlantI think the concept of the afterlife is useful for human survival, actually, or at least has been in the past. It gives people the courage to do things like help others or fight until death; things which make a society stronger.
Fear of death is part of survival. Our invention of the after-life is not. I'm not one to categorize every aspect of human psychology as an evolved trait, though you could think of it that way without being entirely incorrect. I would place it more within the realm of cultural evolution, since not all societies believe(d) in life after death.
-JC
Originally posted by AThousandYoungDepends on the person. I would suggest fighting for other people (family, village, etc) is more a motivation than having a lesser fear of death due to a belief in an afterlife.
I think the concept of the afterlife is useful for human survival, actually, or at least has been in the past. It gives people the courage to do things like help others or fight until death; things which make a society stronger.
Originally posted by HalitoseHmm... I'm a bit confused. First you said "Christian" proofs were at best "highly likely" (to be sound, I guess?); I asked if someone who had concluded the existence of God was "extremely likely" would be an agnostic, and you said they would be a kind of theistic-agnostic(?)
I submit that a verdict can be reached if the definition(s) of God are sufficiently qualified and a sufficient amount of evidence has been perused. Obviously it would not be a mathematical proof, but in which other field can one prove anything with 100% certainty.
My view is that purely the absence of evidence does not infer sufficient certainty.
O al experience", let your emotions override reason and pick a God by means of elimination. QED.
Originally posted by ChurlantLet's explore this a little further, shall we? While I don't disagree that fear is a primal force in resistance to the untimely (or maybe inconvenient) termination of physical existence, is it possible that there exists something even more basic than fear?
Fear of death is part of survival. Our invention of the after-life is not. I'm not one to categorize every aspect of human psychology as an evolved trait, though you could think of it that way without being entirely incorrect. I would place it more within the realm of cultural evolution, since not all societies believe(d) in life after death.
-JC