13 Dec 14
Originally posted by sonshipI've always felt you get the most responses when you make your post into a homework assignment. 😕
[b]What Ever Happened to the Human Race?
A film by Franky Schaeffer on Abortion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCA93pLwQm0
Comments on those who watch the entire film will be of interest.[/b]
13 Dec 14
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Originally posted by sonshipI read Franky Schaeffer's books many years ago.
What Ever Happened to the Human Race?
But last night I watched a DVD of the film Elizabeth and was once again appalled at the slaughter of Catholics by Protestants and vice versa.
Question: Whose side was god on?
Question: What image of God do outsiders get of this behaviour?
As far as I'm concerned, it discredits all organised Christian sectarianism and exclusivism.
But back to abortion: Clearly, FS is against it, and makes many good "social science" points.
However, he also does not answer my contention that being against abortion is an untenable concept for people that are pro-eternal hellfire.
13 Dec 14
Originally posted by CalJustThat's a good question but I really think the abortion debate isn't
However, he also does not answer my contention that being against abortion is an untenable concept for people that are pro-eternal hellfire.
about theology ... it's about a definition of life. Nobody - theist or
atheist - wants to kill. We all know life is precious (perhaps more
precious to atheists). The question is "What constitutes life?"
13 Dec 14
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Originally posted by wolfgang59Of course, I agree with you - it is a question of the sanctity of life. And I have followed the "pro-choice vs pro-life" debate and know that the definition of "life" is a tough one.
That's a good question but I really think the abortion debate isn't
about theology ... it's about a definition of life. Nobody - theist or
atheist - wants to kill. We all know life is precious (perhaps more
precious to atheists). The question is "What constitutes life?"
My point in linking abortion with the hellfire question is to shock hellfire believers into a realization that, given the possibility of such an event (eternal damnation) that it is a logical and inescapable conclusion that abortion is a good way of saving a loved one from that possibility.
But, as you rightly point out, this is a peripheral issue, and only applicable to those holding a particular theological viewpoint. The abortion debate per se should be held on social, (ie. reflecting the values of society as a whole) rather than theological grounds.
I suppose that is why sonship started this thread, trying to distinguish between social and religious mores (FS always tried to do that). But (like everybody else) I know where he wants to go with it.
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Originally posted by CalJustIt is hard to believe that Franky Schaeffer is now one of the strongest critics of the Religious Right. It goes to show how people do evolve - change with age and with experience.
I was thinking about the types who could not bring themselves to watch 30 seconds that I would put some of his latter interviews afterwards. But, its just as well for the padlocked minded. Don't you think?
Anyway, Franky Schaeffer with his dad, Francis Schaeffer were big architects of the Religious Right. And lately Franky has become whistle blower of its problems.
I like "What Ever Happened to the Human Race?" because Franky has a touch of Ingmar Bergman or Fredrico Fellini in his movie making.
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16 Dec 14
What Ever Happened to the Human Race?
A film by Franky Schaeffer on Abortion
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Same guy, believe it or not acting as a latter whistle blower on the Religious Right. In my opinion there is some things worthwhile in both videos.
Why I Am an Atheist Who Believes in God
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=+Franky+Schaeffer+
Ex-Evangelic Franky Schaeffer Denounces Michelle Bachman
17 Dec 14
Originally posted by sonshipA double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
It is hard to believe that Franky Schaeffer is now one of the strongest critics of the Religious Right. It goes to show how people do evolve - change with age and with experience.
I was thinking about the types who could not bring themselves to watch 30 seconds that I would put some of his latter interviews afterwards. But, its just as well for the pad ...[text shortened]... ce?" because Franky has a touch of Ingmar Bergman or Fredrico Fellini in his movie making.[/b]