11 Nov '08 23:26>1 edit
Some of you may recall a thread that I started little over a year ago entitled "A Religious Scientist"
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=77215
about the head of the Human Genome Project, Francis S. Collins, who is a respected evolutionary biologist and also a born-again Christian. I was trying to understand how someone so clearly versed in the scientific method and the theory of Evolution by Natural Selection could justify a belief in a specific supernatural deity.
Well the guy has written a book called "The Language of God - A Scientist provides evidence for belief", which I listened to last week while commuting to a customer site (to work with a young earth creationist!).
I am still none the wiser.
He seems to have 3 reasons for believing in a deity:
1. The very beginning: we currently have no testable hypotheses about how or why the universe began, and there are serious arguments that we may never be able to find this out.
2. The Anthropic Principle: Various universal constants are fine-tuned for life. If any of them were fractionally different, life would not be possible.
3. The existence of a 'Moral Law': Humans are unique in their tendency towards true altruism. We will make sacrifices for unrelated strangers with no expectation of reward. There seems to be a fairly universal concept 'fairness' throughout humanity and there are a number of things that pretty much everyone will agree are 'right' or 'wrong'.
I don't think any of these things implies a deity. The fact that we don't know, and may never know, how or why the universe began does not mean that anything supernatural did it. The anthropic principle only holds water if our universe is the only one, something which again we may never know. Finally, I am not convinced that the 'Moral Law' is truly universal. There are many social influences involved. Ideas of 'right' and 'wrong' do vary between societies. Altruism may yet be shown to be a product of our nature as social animals, I'm fairly sure there are examples of it elsewhere in the animal kingdom.
For believing in his particular deity, he cites one event: During the period when he had decided that atheism was unsupportable and was trying to decide on which religion to follow, he went walking in the mountains. It was autumn (Fall, for you 'merkins), and he came across a frozen waterfall with 3 streams, putting him in mind of the Trinity.
This smacks to me of confirmation bias: he was looking for something to believe in, had studied Christianity, came across a slightly unusual phenomenon and fitted it into the belief system that he already favoured. If he had leaned more towards Buddhism, I think he may have interpreted these streams as the three divisions of the Eight-fold path. Or ignored it completely and found something else to link to Buddhism.
I think he is rather inconsistant in his arguments. He argues against a 'god of the gaps' but his god is exactly that: we don't yet have a full understanding of the above three points, so that is where he fits his god in.
All in all, I found the book interesting, well written, but ultimately failing hopelessly to live up to its title.
He has a wonderfully scathing section on Young-Earth Creationists though, saying their position is intellectually bankrupt (IIRC). I have lent the book to a YEC I met recently. It'll be interesting to see what he makes of it.
--- Penguin.
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=77215
about the head of the Human Genome Project, Francis S. Collins, who is a respected evolutionary biologist and also a born-again Christian. I was trying to understand how someone so clearly versed in the scientific method and the theory of Evolution by Natural Selection could justify a belief in a specific supernatural deity.
Well the guy has written a book called "The Language of God - A Scientist provides evidence for belief", which I listened to last week while commuting to a customer site (to work with a young earth creationist!).
I am still none the wiser.
He seems to have 3 reasons for believing in a deity:
1. The very beginning: we currently have no testable hypotheses about how or why the universe began, and there are serious arguments that we may never be able to find this out.
2. The Anthropic Principle: Various universal constants are fine-tuned for life. If any of them were fractionally different, life would not be possible.
3. The existence of a 'Moral Law': Humans are unique in their tendency towards true altruism. We will make sacrifices for unrelated strangers with no expectation of reward. There seems to be a fairly universal concept 'fairness' throughout humanity and there are a number of things that pretty much everyone will agree are 'right' or 'wrong'.
I don't think any of these things implies a deity. The fact that we don't know, and may never know, how or why the universe began does not mean that anything supernatural did it. The anthropic principle only holds water if our universe is the only one, something which again we may never know. Finally, I am not convinced that the 'Moral Law' is truly universal. There are many social influences involved. Ideas of 'right' and 'wrong' do vary between societies. Altruism may yet be shown to be a product of our nature as social animals, I'm fairly sure there are examples of it elsewhere in the animal kingdom.
For believing in his particular deity, he cites one event: During the period when he had decided that atheism was unsupportable and was trying to decide on which religion to follow, he went walking in the mountains. It was autumn (Fall, for you 'merkins), and he came across a frozen waterfall with 3 streams, putting him in mind of the Trinity.
This smacks to me of confirmation bias: he was looking for something to believe in, had studied Christianity, came across a slightly unusual phenomenon and fitted it into the belief system that he already favoured. If he had leaned more towards Buddhism, I think he may have interpreted these streams as the three divisions of the Eight-fold path. Or ignored it completely and found something else to link to Buddhism.
I think he is rather inconsistant in his arguments. He argues against a 'god of the gaps' but his god is exactly that: we don't yet have a full understanding of the above three points, so that is where he fits his god in.
All in all, I found the book interesting, well written, but ultimately failing hopelessly to live up to its title.
He has a wonderfully scathing section on Young-Earth Creationists though, saying their position is intellectually bankrupt (IIRC). I have lent the book to a YEC I met recently. It'll be interesting to see what he makes of it.
--- Penguin.