A religious scientist

Originally posted by adam warlock
What do you mean by that? Dirac's equation is one such thing. The Klein-Gordon equation is another such thing. And then we got the equation that predicts Hawking radiation. So...
But what we lack is a coherent theory that unifies both of them. Even though we have a lot of very good approxiamtions. Any field theory that you can think of is an quantum-mechanical relativistic theory in essence.

These guys can't make a simple differential equation and you talk about the Dirac and K-G equations? 😀
Quantum mechanics? God doesn't play dice, didn't you know? 🙂

Originally posted by serigado
These guys can't make a simple differential equation and you talk about the Dirac and K-G equations? 😀
Quantum mechanics? God doesn't play dice, didn't you know? 🙂

Ahah! Can't blame me for trying though.
Well, if God doesn't play dice that must means he exists! 😵 🙄
QM is the most beautiful concept we as humans have and this reall ain't my forum!
*Goes back to the General Forum*

See you tomorrow. 😉

Originally posted by serigado
There are many more mythical models for the creation of the world as plausible as the 6 day one.
You believe there is evidence to affirm 6 days creation?? I laugh at that, I'm sorry.
Explain your main points of your several month study, please.

Okay, pick a topic there are many to choose from. Lets narrow it down. There are teams of scientists with PH D's in every respectable field that also believe the same thing.



Some modern scientists who have accepted the biblical account of creation
Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr. James Allan, Geneticist
Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist
Dr. S.E. Aw, Biochemist
Dr. Thomas Barnes, Physicist
Dr. Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
Dr. Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
Dr. John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
Dr. Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
Dr. Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
Dr. Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
Dr. Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
Dr. David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
Dr. David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)
Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
Dr. Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
Dr. Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
Dr. Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist (interview)
Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
Dr. John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
Dr. Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
Dr. Bob Compton, DVM
Dr. Ken Cumming, Biologist
Dr. Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
Dr. William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
Dr. Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
Dr. Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
Dr. Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
Dr. Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
Dr. Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
Dr. Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
Dr. Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr. David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
Dr. Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
Dr. David Down, Field Archaeologist
Dr. Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr. Ted Driggers, Operations research
Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
Dr. André Eggen, Geneticist
Dr. Dudley Eirich, Molecular Biologist
Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
Dr. Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
Dr. Paul Giem, Medical Research
Dr. Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
Dr. Duane Gish, Biochemist
Dr. Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
Dr. Warwick Glover, General Surgeon
Dr. D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
Dr. Robin Greer, Chemist, History
Dr. Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist
Dr. Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist
Dr. Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
Dr. Barry Harker, Philosopher
Dr. Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
Dr. John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist
Dr. Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications
Dr. George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
Dr. Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
Dr. Harold R. Henry, Engineer
Dr. Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
Dr. Joseph Henson, Entomologist
Dr. Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
Dr. Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
Dr. Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
Dr. Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
Dr. Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
Dr. George F. Howe, Botany
Dr. Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
Dr. Russell Humphreys, Physicist
Dr. James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
George T. Javor, Biochemistry
Dr. Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
Dr. Arthur Jones, Biology
Dr. Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
Dr. Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
Dr. Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
Dr. Dean Kenyon, Biologist
Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
Dr. John W. Klotz, Biologist
Dr. Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
Dr. Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
Dr. John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
Dr. John Leslie, Biochemist
Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics
Dr. Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
Dr. Alan Love, Chemist
Dr. Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
Dr. John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
Dr. George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
Dr. Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
Dr. John McEwan, Chemist
Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
Dr. David Menton, Anatomist
Dr. Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr. John Meyer, Physiologist
Dr. Albert Mills, Animal Embryologist/Reproductive Physiologist
Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
Dr. Tommy Mitchell, Physician
Dr. John N. Moore, Science Educator
Dr. John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
Dr. Henry M. Morris (1918–2006), founder of the Institute for Creation Research.
Dr. Arlton C. Murray, Paleontologist
Dr. John D. Morris, Geologist
Dr. Len Morris, Physiologist
Dr. Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
Dr. Terry Mortenson, History of Geology
Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
Dr. Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
Dr. David Oderberg, Philosopher
Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
Dr. John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
Dr. Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
Dr. Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
Dr. David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
Prof. Richard Porter
Dr. Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
Dr. John Rankin, Cosmologist
Dr. A.S. Reece, M.D.
Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
Dr. Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
Dr. David Rosevear, Chemist
Dr. Ariel A. Roth, Biology
Dr. Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
Dr. Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
Dr. Ian Scott, Educator
Dr. Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
Dr. Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
Dr. Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
Dr. Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist
Dr. Roger Simpson, Engineer
Dr. Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
Dr. E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
Arthur E. Wilder-Smith (1915–1995) Three science doctorates; a creation science pioneer
Dr. Andrew Snelling, Geologist
Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
Dr. Timothy G. Standish, Biology
Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
Dr. Esther Su, Biochemistry
Dr. Charles Taylor, Linguistics
Dr. Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
Dr. Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
Dr. Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr. Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
Dr. Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
Dr. Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
Dr. Joachim Vetter, Biologist
Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892–1979) Surgeon
Dr. Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
Dr. Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
Dr. Keith Wanser, Physicist
Dr. Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
Dr. A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr. John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
Dr. Carl Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr. Lara Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr. Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist
Dr. Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist (deceased 1997)
Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
Dr. Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering
Dr. Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
Dr. Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
Dr. Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr. Henry Zuill, Biology

Originally posted by freightdog37
Okay, pick a topic there are many to choose from. Lets narrow it down. There are teams of scientists with PH D's in every respectable field that also believe the same thing.



Some modern scientists who have accepted the biblical account of creation
Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr. James Allan, Genetic ...[text shortened]... oung, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr. Henry Zuill, Biology

Bring all of them to a debate and I'll destroy their position. Let's start by you, bring your arguments to defend 6 day.
I bet all of them are devout christians. Don't you think that's a biased position?

Originally posted by freightdog37
Okay, pick a topic there are many to choose from. Lets narrow it down. There are teams of scientists with PH D's in every respectable field that also believe the same thing.



Some modern scientists who have accepted the biblical account of creation
Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr. James Allan, Genetic ...[text shortened]... oung, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr. Henry Zuill, Biology

Some modern scientists who have accepted the biblical account of creation

Does this mean that they accept the account in Genesis 1 as literally true in all respects? Or just that God created the heavens and the earth? Or what?

Do any of them believe that making the sun stand still will make an earth-day any longer?

Can you provide a brief statement from each one indicating exactly what s/he accepts? Or at least a citation?

Originally posted by Penguin
I am aware of this inverse correlation but on the other hand there are a large number of intelligent, educated people wo do not hold the logical (to me) atheistic or agnostic views. This is what I find hard to understand.

Listen to the interview. This is an intelligent, educated, logical scientist, well versed in the scientific method, who firmly believes ...[text shortened]... ticular religion for what appears to be entirely emotional and cultural reasons.

--- Penguin.

I am aware of this inverse correlation but on the other hand there are a large number of intelligent, educated people wo do not hold the logical (to me) atheistic or agnostic views. This is what I find hard to understand. PENGUIN

...could it be because God actually does exist?

Originally posted by knightmeister
I am aware of this inverse correlation but on the other hand there are a large number of intelligent, educated people wo do not hold the logical (to me) atheistic or agnostic views. This is what I find hard to understand. PENGUIN

...could it be because God actually does exist?

Scientists are human and have their fears, specially when augmented by a religious education. Some really believe in an abstract, spiritual god, not necessarly connected to a religion. Those that say they believe in a religion do so not to hurt their families who really believe that nonsense.
If they say they believe the 6 day crap, then there's something really wrong with them, because it is deeply wrong, and they can NEVER be scientists if they believe something as fundamental as absolute truth, because a scientist DOES NOT have absolute truth, by definition.

Originally posted by knightmeister
I am aware of this inverse correlation but on the other hand there are a large number of intelligent, educated people wo do not hold the logical (to me) atheistic or agnostic views. This is what I find hard to understand. PENGUIN

...could it be because God actually does exist?

If that were the case, I would not expect an inverse correlation between intelligence and belief. Instead, I would expect to see more of a direct correlation between intelligence and belief in a specific form of faith.

The fact that there are so few (relatively) religious scientists implies to me that God does not exist.

--- Penguin

Originally posted by serigado
Bring all of them to a debate and I'll destroy their position. Let's start by you, bring your arguments to defend 6 day.
I bet all of them are devout christians. Don't you think that's a biased position?

Don't you think that it is a biased position to believe in evolution. There is no more scientific evidence for evolution then creation.

I asked you to pick a topic, and you countered with why don't you. Ok, Darwin's tree of life. In it he depicts how organisms evolved. Yet we still can't seem to find any of the fossils to back this up. Where are all the missing links. There should be evidence for this. The fossil record has yet to show an example. This is a big hole in Darwins theory.

Not named Steve. Too bad.

Oh, wait, I found one Steve and three Stephens on that longer list.

Here are 830 scientists, all named Steve, who agree with this statement:

Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to "intelligent design," to be introduced into the science curricula of our nation's public schools.

http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/3697_the_list_2_16_2003.asp
http://www.ncseweb.org/article.asp?category=18

We have 200 for every one of your "scientists".

Your Steves are:

Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr. Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist
Dr. Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist

Not a single biologist. Why are they talking about a biological theory? The chemist and the geologists are the only two with anything like the background to understand evolutionary theory, but even they are not biologists.

Originally posted by freightdog37
Don't you think that it is a biased position to believe in evolution. There is no more scientific evidence for evolution then creation.

I asked you to pick a topic, and you countered with why don't you. Ok, Darwin's tree of life. In it he depicts how organisms evolved. Yet we still can't seem to find any of the fossils to back this up. Where are ...[text shortened]... this. The fossil record has yet to show an example. This is a big hole in Darwins theory.

We've found quite a lot of fossils, and they all back up Darwin. What are you talking about?

Originally posted by knightmeister
...could it be because God actually does exist?

Anything is possible but that would not be the most parsimonious explanation. In fact if we suppose that people believing extraordinary things (contrary to all evidence) can be explained by supposing that they may actually be true then we should consider the possibility that all gods and supernatural beings that people have believed in past and present might actually exist. In fact there is little difference between your statement and the following:
1. ...could it be that vampires actually do exist.
2. ...could it be that Odin really exists.
3. ...could it be that your life is affected by whether or not the moon happens to be in a particular constellation of stars when you are born?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Anything is possible but that would not be the most parsimonious explanation. In fact if we suppose that people believing extraordinary things (contrary to all evidence) can be explained by supposing that they may actually be true then we should consider the possibility that all gods and supernatural beings that people have believed in past and present m ...[text shortened]... whether or not the moon happens to be in a particular constellation of stars when you are born?

YES, both 3 of them can be true. But the compare is unjust, because Jesus actually existed. The problem is his promotion to the son of an illogic GOD, made by the inspired men who accompanied him.
But on the other hand...
1 - Dracula existed
2 - Odin is cool
3 - Moon affects lots of stuff.