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Its common sense and truth - that life comes from life.

God is the Supreme life. - being first cause and the continual intelligent spiritual principle that is maintaining all that is now - and for ever more - to eternity.
this is a logical fallacy. if life comes from life, then god must have followed the same rule and come from life, ergo he was not the creator.

if god is not alive, then life can come from non-life and your premise is disrupted.

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Originally posted by VoidSpirit
this is a logical fallacy. if life comes from life, then god must have followed the same rule and come from life, ergo he was not the creator.

if god is not alive, then life can come from non-life and your premise is disrupted.
thumbs up.... Also the observation that life comes from life doesn't preclude life coming from not-life.

So that's two logical fallacies.... at least.


Originally posted by VoidSpirit
this is a logical fallacy. if life comes from life, then god must have followed the same rule and come from life, ergo he was not the creator.

if god is not alive, then life can come from non-life and your premise is disrupted.
God came from life according to the Holy Bible. He came from His Father.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
God came from life according to the Holy Bible. He came from His Father.
that's just another fallacy of logic that has been dealt with elsewhere.

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Originally posted by VoidSpirit
that's just another fallacy of logic that has been dealt with elsewhere.
Where? Heaven?


Originally posted by RJHinds
Where? Heaven?
um no. it's been dealt with on this forum. hint, it concerns the absurd concept of god sacrificing himself to himself to appease himself debacle.

don't feel too bad, absurdities creep into every religion. some even thrive on it.

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Originally posted by VoidSpirit
um no. it's been dealt with on this forum. hint, it concerns the absurd concept of god sacrificing himself to himself to appease himself debacle.

don't feel too bad, absurdities creep into every religion. some even thrive on it.
What you call absurdities are miracles.


Originally posted by VoidSpirit
this is a logical fallacy. if life comes from life, then god must have followed the same rule and come from life, ergo he was not the creator.

if god is not alive, then life can come from non-life and your premise is disrupted.
Everyone knows that God is first cause.

Because God is God he can be the first cause.

No one else can except God.

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Originally posted by Dasa
Everyone knows that God is first cause.

Because God is God he can be the first cause.

No one else can except God.
Everyone knows that God is first cause.
FALSE
At least one person (me) does not know this.

Because God is God he can be the first cause.
And because Bart Simpson is Bart Simpson he can .... what nonsense!

No one else can except God.
How do you know? If there is one supernatural creature out there isn't it likely there are more? What human experience would deny that?

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Originally posted by Dasa
Everyone knows that God is first cause.

Because God is God he can be the first cause.

No one else can except God.
when you are ready to stop spouting fallacies and instead, address the failure of your logic that i exposed, you know where to find me.

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Originally posted by wolfgang59
[b]Everyone knows that God is first cause.
FALSE
At least one person (me) does not know this.

Because God is God he can be the first cause.
And because Bart Simpson is Bart Simpson he can .... what nonsense!

No one else can except God.
How do you know? If there is one supernatural creature out there isn't it likely there are more? What human experience would deny that?[/b]
Actually on the last point polytheism makes a lot more sense than monotheism.

Many of the conflicts inherent in all the posited monotheistic gods are due to them being
amalgamations of many gods.

When they were many it made perfect sense for them to not always agree and sometimes
be in conflict with each other.

However when you make it one being in conflict with itself.... Then you have trouble.

Also the polytheists tend to be more tolerant of other peoples gods because if you already
have many gods adding or acknowledging that there might be others is no big stretch (and
doesn't undermine your religion)

Monotheists however start by asserting that all other gods are false/non-existent.
And get upset if anyone suggests otherwise.



And back to dasa's assertions... I don't even acknowledge there was, or has to be, a first cause.
Let alone attribute it to an invisible/imaginary/non-existent deity.

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Originally posted by googlefudge
Also the polytheists tend to be more tolerant of other peoples gods because if you already
have many gods adding or acknowledging that there might be others is no big stretch (and
doesn't undermine your religion)
not true as a general rule. the assyrians and hebrews were polytheists, but first, the assyrians declared ashur to be the supreme god above all other gods, then the hebrew royal families followed suit and did the same thing with their tribal deity, yahweh. and they were very nasty about the dominance of their particular gods.

there was also some nasty intolerance in rome before they converted to state christianity, though the conversion didn't end their intolerance.

as a general rule, when it comes to religion as a tool of statecraft, there will be intolerance when competing religions (whatever they may be) try to assert their dominance.

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Originally posted by VoidSpirit
not true as a general rule. the assyrians and hebrews were polytheists, but first, the assyrians declared ashur to be the supreme god above all other gods, then the hebrew royal families followed suit and did the same thing with their tribal deity, yahweh. and they were very nasty about the dominance of their particular gods.

there was also some nast ...[text shortened]... l be intolerance when competing religions (whatever they may be) try to assert their dominance.
Attitudes to foreign religions changed throughout the time of the Empire but the general attitude was one of assimilation (an advantage of polytheism). I guess it was impossible to assimilate a Christian god (although check out Sol Invictus for some interesting comparisons with Christ)

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Originally posted by wolfgang59
Attitudes to foreign religions changed throughout the time of the Empire but the general attitude was one of assimilation (an advantage of polytheism). I guess it was impossible to assimilate a Christian god (although check out Sol Invictus for some interesting comparisons with Christ)
Its strong influence is why the Roman Catholic Church adopted
December 25 as the birthday of Christ and renamed it Christmas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus

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Originally posted by RJHinds
Its strong influence is why the Roman Catholic Church adopted
December 25 as the birthday of Christ and renamed it Christmas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus
Learn your history sparky.

25th December was a pagan festival long before Jesus walked the earth.