Originally posted by Halitose Most of the arguments you would use to sustain premise 2 could be applied to demolish premise 1. Think about it.
You are attempting to frame this debate through a "perception is reality" argument. What I am trying (and apparently failing) to point out is that this argument only applies to the spiritual, and inherently variable aspect of the discussion.
God is many things to many people, and He is nothing to the atheists among us - Perception.
1+1=2 regardless of who you ask - Truth.
Originally posted by Churlant You are attempting to frame this debate through a "perception is reality" argument. What I am trying (and apparently failing) to point out is that this argument only applies to the spiritual, and inherently variable aspect of the discussion.
God is many things to many people, and He is nothing to the atheists among us - Perception.
1+1=2 regardless of who you ask - Truth.
-JC
Ah... so you are arguing that the universal acceptance of a truth-claim validates its authenticity while a truth-claim that does not enjoy universal acceptance must therefore be false?
Have you tried discussing Quantum Mechanics with a Papua New Guinean tribe? 😀
Originally posted by Halitose Ah... so you are arguing that the universal acceptance of a truth-claim validates its authenticity while a truth-claim that does not enjoy universal acceptance must therefore be false?
Have you tried discussing Quantum Mechanics with a Papua New Guinean tribe? 😀
Actually, I am arguing that truth does not need universal acceptance (nor will it receive anywhere near) to remain valid. In actuality, religious faith enjoys far wider acceptance than such trivial matters as "Quantum Mechanics"... such simplicity doesn't make it "truth".
Originally posted by Churlant Actually, I am arguing that truth does not need universal acceptance (nor will it receive anywhere near) to remain valid. In actuality, religious faith enjoys far wider acceptance than such trivial matters as "Quantum Mechanics"... such simplicity doesn't make it "truth".
-JC
So why do you think a truth-claim pertaining to God cannot be valid?
Originally posted by Halitose So why do you think a truth-claim pertaining to God cannot be valid?
A truth-claim pertaining to God cannot be validated because there is nothing to validate. This is what faith is - belief that does not rely on logical or material evidence.
Originally posted by Churlant You are attempting to frame this debate through a "perception is reality" argument. What I am trying (and apparently failing) to point out is that this argument only applies to the spiritual, and inherently variable aspect of the discussion.
God is many things to many people, and He is nothing to the atheists among us - Perception.
1+1=2 regardless of who you ask - Truth.