Abortion

@fmf said
Well, you can stick your "thanks" in your ear.

It doesn't fit. 😛

@fmf said
On the occasions I have talked people out of terminating a pregnancy, rape was not involved. Nor were they minors.

Well, good job then; in my personal opinion.
However, a fertilized egg is not a pregnancy.

@kingdavid403 said
However, a fertilized egg is not a pregnancy.

My personal belief is that the fertilization of the egg is the initiation of the development of a human life’s unique personhood.

@fmf said
My personal belief is that the fertilization of the egg is the initiation of the development of a human life’s unique personhood.

Well, a fertilized egg is still not a pregnancy; and, that's a fact. The majority of fertilized eggs (93% or so) never initiate a pregnancy.

@kingdavid403 said
Well, a fertilized egg is still not a pregnancy; and, that's a fact.

But, for me, it is the initiation of life. The way you use the word "pregnancy" does not affect my belief.

@fmf said
But, for me, it is the initiation of life. The way you use the word "pregnancy" does not affect my belief.

The way you use the word "pregnancy"
Use the word "pregnancy" ?
One is either pregnant or not.
But, for me, it is the initiation of life.
I caught that; and, I understand.

@kingdavid403 said
The way you use the word "pregnancy"
Use the word "pregnancy" ?
One is either pregnant or not.

I don't care about the word "pregnancy". For me, a fertilized egg is the initiation of life. You can mention the word "pregnancy" as many times as you want, but it has no traction with me.

@kingdavid403 said
But, for me, it is the initiation of life.
I caught that; and, I understand.

If, for you, life begins at "pregnancy", then so be it.

@fmf said
I don't care about the word "pregnancy". For me, a fertilized egg is the initiation of life. You can mention the word "pregnancy" as many times as you want, but it has no traction with me.

Yeah; well many people swore that the earth was flat for a long long time. In fact, it was a supposed sin and heresy to think otherwise. People that told them the truth that our earth is actually round, this had no traction with flat-earth believers either. However, the earth still was, and is, still round.
They also use to think, that the sun went around the earth; when in reality, it is the earth that goes around the sun.

@kingdavid403 said
Yeah; well many people swore that the earth was flat for a long long time.

If you think this analogy undermines my personal belief, then you are being very silly. It's especially laughable because you are the ONLY person in this chat [across several threads] who has not yet stated unequivocally when you think life begins.

If it begins at "pregnancy" then say so. If it begins as the baby comes out of the birth canal, then say so. If you are not prepared to share what your belief is, then just admit it.

@kingdavid403 said
Yeah; well many people swore that the earth was flat for a long long time. In fact, it was a supposed sin and heresy to think otherwise. People that told them the truth that our earth is actually round, this had no traction with flat-earth believers either. However, the earth still was, and is, still round.
They also use to think, that the sun went around the earth; when in reality, it is the earth that goes around the sun.

I believe that, if it is true that the Abrahamic God has written certain things on the hearts of every human ~ i.e. if that is the source of human consciousness ~ I would imagine that one of the things that He has written there is that life begins at conception.

@fmf said
I believe that, if it is true that the Abrahamic God has written certain things on the hearts of every human ~ i.e. if that is the source of human consciousness ~ I would imagine that one of the things that He has written there is that life begins at conception.

He has written there is that life begins at conception.
Well Mr. Atheist, then He wrote that most persons will be dead before their body's start to form in the womb then. There's no two ways about it.

@kingdavid403 said
He has written there is that life begins at conception.
Well Mr. Atheist, then He wrote that most persons will be dead before their body's start to form in the womb then. There's no two ways about it.

What difference does it make that I am an agnostic atheist? What has YOUR God figure written in your heart, according to your beliefs, about when life begins?

@fmf said
If you think this analogy undermines my personal belief, then you are being very silly. It's especially laughable because you are the ONLY person in this chat [across several threads] who has not yet stated unequivocally when you think life begins.

If it begins at "pregnancy" then say so. If it begins as the baby comes out of the birth canal, then say so. If you are not prepared to share what your belief is, then just admit it.

If it begins at "pregnancy" then say so. If it begins as the baby comes out of the birth canal, then say so. If you are not prepared to share what your belief is, then just admit it.
A life begins at birth. Ones body began, or begins to form when there is a pregnancy. I've stated this many many times. It's not my fault that you missed that.

@fmf said
What difference does it make that I am an agnostic atheist? What has YOUR God figure written in your heart, according to your beliefs, about when life begins?

At Birth.
One must be born, for their life on this earth to begin.