Originally posted by knightmeisterA moral is absolute when people from any place (culture) or any time (past of future) agrees of the morality in any circumstances whatsoever. If it is not absolute it is a relative moral depending of the place and time. Therefore there is no absolute moral.
What do you mean by "absolute" ? To me if a moral absolute (eg X is wrong) is true then it means that even if everyone in the world thought X is right , X would still be wrong.
A moral can be ..
a) an opinion (either held by a majority or a few)
Or
b) a moral fact established by moral realities which transcend human opinions.
To use ...[text shortened]... only way to believe in absolute morals is to believe in an absolute moral reality.
...if you ask me.
Originally posted by FabianFnasSo if all people from all times and all cultures thought raping children was right then it would be absolutely right to do so?
A moral is absolute when people from any place (culture) or any time (past of future) agrees of the morality in any circumstances whatsoever. If it is not absolute it is a relative moral depending of the place and time. Therefore there is no absolute moral.
...if you ask me.
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Originally posted by bbarrI don't know. It seems evidence that people disagree about physical facts. So, descriptive relativism.
Contrast:
(1) The set of descriptive beliefs I have about the physical world.
(2) The existence of descriptive beliefs, incompatible with my beliefs, that others hold.
Is the second claim evidence for relativism concerning the set of descriptive propositions about the physical world?
Originally posted by FabianFnasIt's not Ok ,but it doesn't matter what moral stance I take on it I can only argue that it's absolutely wrong if there is an absolute moral truth which exists regardless of men's opinions.
Do you think it's all right to rape children? No? Then it is not an absolute moral.
Originally posted by knightmeisterMoral doesn't even exist without people who have opinions.
It's not Ok ,but it doesn't matter what moral stance I take on it I can only argue that it's absolutely wrong if there is an absolute moral truth which exists regardless of men's opinions.
Your opinion is very important to determine wether a moral is relative or absolute. If you belong to a minority opinion, then it doesn't matter how much right you think you are, it is still a relative moral.
There is a society who think paedophilia is okay, and even good for young boys. Their moral differs from the rest of us. It doesn't matter what we think (and believe me, I think it is wrong!) the moral about having sex with small boys is a relative moral.
Perhaps we just define the words 'absolute' and 'relative' differently.
My opinion is crisp clear, despite the fact that it differs from yours.
Your opinion is crisp clear, despite the fact that it differs from mine.
Originally posted by FabianFnasSo if morals are only a matter of opinion and subject to democratic overrule how come most people don't state them as so but instead resort to absolute moral terms (eg that's just wrong) . Also , it logically means that all we can ever say about Hitler was that he was in a minority group of opinion. We can't say he was absolutely wrong . We can say that the flat earth society is demonstrably and definitely absolutely wrong.
Moral doesn't even exist without people who have opinions.
Your opinion is very important to determine wether a moral is relative or absolute. If you belong to a minority opinion, then it doesn't matter how much right you think you are, it is still a relative moral.
There is a society who think paedophilia is okay, and even good for young boys. Thei ...[text shortened]... ers from yours.
Your opinion is crisp clear, despite the fact that it differs from mine.