17 Oct 12
Originally posted by wolfgang59The Islamic version is wrong, from a bad translation.
Lots of anti-Islamic posts talk about the degradation of women in Islam. I was interested to discover that the Quran blames both Adam and Eve for eating the forbidden fruit rather than placing the burden of original sin on women only as in the biblical version.
Thoughts?
17 Oct 12
Originally posted by wolfgang59The Quran, but translation was probably not the correct term, a bad "copy" is more appropriate. The issue not being translation from language to language but rather the accuracy of hand copies made (clerical errors, etc.)
A bad translation of what?
17 Oct 12
Originally posted by CLL53So maybe the transcription error did arise or maybe not but is it still the case that the Qu'ran as it is contains this account in which Eve is not assigned the blame?
The Quran, but translation was probably not the correct term, a bad "copy" is more appropriate. The issue not being translation from language to language but rather the accuracy of hand copies made (clerical errors, etc.)
18 Oct 12
Originally posted by CLL53Unlike the bible the Qu'ran is still used in its original language.
The Quran, but translation was probably not the correct term, a bad "copy" is more appropriate. The issue not being translation from language to language but rather the accuracy of hand copies made (clerical errors, etc.)
No translation therefore no translation errors.
If "typos" had been made wouldn't we have a number of different Qu'rans?
19 Oct 12
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Originally posted by wolfgang59The bible doesn't blame Eve for the fall of man, it blames Adam. Over and over, you'll find the words "Adam's sin", or "from one man's sin (Adam's), death entered the world", as far as the "Original Sin" is concerned.
Lots of anti-Islamic posts talk about the degradation of women in Islam. I was interested to discover that the Quran blames both Adam and Eve for eating the forbidden fruit rather than placing the burden of original sin on women only as in the biblical version.
Thoughts?
The Bible does say Eve was "Deceieved", but not Adam; this seems to indicate that the Bible believed Adam knew better; thus, Adam is the one held in the wrong.
Thus, the point in the original post of this thread doesn't really lend to the thought the Koran any more respectful to women, compared to the Bible. Not that I endorse the bible or it's bigoted views.
20 Oct 12
Originally posted by vivifyI don't recall any bigoted views promoted by the Holy Bible. What exactly are you talking about? Can you define what you mean by a bigoted view and were this bigoted view is endorsed in the Holy Bible?
The bible doesn't blame Eve for the fall of man, it blames Adam. Over and over, you'll find the words "Adam's sin", or "from one man's sin (Adam's), death entered the world", as far as the "Original Sin" is concerned.
The Bible does say Eve was "Deceieved", but not Adam; this seems to indicate that the Bible believed Adam knew better; thus, Adam is the ...[text shortened]... omen, compared to the Bible. Not that I endorse the bible or it's bigoted views.
20 Oct 12
Originally posted by RJHindsYou don't recall, or more likely conveniently forget, the passage that goes, a man is worth 50 shekels, a woman 35 shekels? Seems pretty bigoted to me. It's right there in black and white in YOUR bible.
I don't recall any bigoted views promoted by the Holy Bible. What exactly are you talking about? Can you define what you mean by a bigoted view and were this bigoted view is endorsed in the Holy Bible?
Eve was deceived, as in, she was inferior so didn't know any better, but Adam the great on the other hand was the superior one so he takes the rap.
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20 Oct 12
Originally posted by wolfgang59Actually God held them both accountable as individuals; Eve listened to the serpent over God's word and Adam listened to his wife over God's word.
Lots of anti-Islamic posts talk about the degradation of women in Islam. I was interested to discover that the Quran blames both Adam and Eve for eating the forbidden fruit rather than placing the burden of original sin on women only as in the biblical version.
Thoughts?
In fact all through the Bible sin is referred to as entering the world through Adam, not Eve. Adam was accountable to God, Eve was given to him as a companion, it was Adam's responsibility.
Questions that cross my mind are:
- Where was Adam when Eve was being beguiled?
- If Adam had not eaten the "fruit" what would have happened to Eve?
- Is there a correlation between Adam eating of it and Christ's sacrifice?
- Why did God allow Satan entry to the garden, when there was flaming cherubim on most corners?
- God must have killed an animal to provide them with skins, is this also a parable?
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20 Oct 12
Originally posted by divegeesterand why did god have a tree of knowledge anyway?
Actually God held them both accountable as individuals; Eve listened to the serpent over God's word and Adam listened to his wife over God's word.
In fact all through the Bible sin is referred to as entering the world through Adam, not Eve. Adam was accountable to God, Eve was given to him as a companion, it was Adam's responsibility.
Questions tha ...[text shortened]... ?
- God must have killed an animal to provide them with skins, is this also a parable?
20 Oct 12
Originally posted by sonhouseYou misunderdtsnd everything in the Holy Bible. You need to read the whole Bible, then get a Believer's Bible Commentary and go over it again with that.
You don't recall, or more likely conveniently forget, the passage that goes, a man is worth 50 shekels, a woman 35 shekels? Seems pretty bigoted to me. It's right there in black and white in YOUR bible.
Eve was deceived, as in, she was inferior so didn't know any better, but Adam the great on the other hand was the superior one so he takes the rap.
Then with a little prayer and reflections maybe you will see the light.