Addendum to Mr Hamilton: Mindless?
27 Mar '11 02:36To Mr Andrew Hamiltion (and interested others),
Leaving "God" and "design" theme out of it, may I simplify as I understand the current scientific understanding of the evolvement of life.
At the "beginning" (can't have a beginning without time, which the Singularity established, but we will skip over that) there was a "Singularity". Its origin is unestablished, as far as I know. From it occurred the "Big Bang" ejecting all the base matter/energy the Universe would ever use in well under a second. Time-Space (as the continuum of TOR) were also established in that brief moment.
[This is accepting the Big Bang Standard model, but acknowledging those in the scientific community who have the temerity to question such, with strong arguments and pointing out the flaws still inherent in the model. However, let's go with it.]
The ejected matter was initially ONLY hydrogen atoms, the simplest atom, with basically one proton and one electron, perhaps give or take a neutron or two. (This fact alone is incredibly amazing, everything we know has evolved from this simplest of all atoms, unit ONE!)
Suns were later required to form the rest of the elements as those clouds of hydrogen began to clump together randomly under the influence of gravity, one of the three known forces underlying everything. Electromagnetic force, gravity, the strong and weak atomic forces all required were apparently also established with the Big Bang from the "Singularity" in those brief moments.
That is the starting point, Please correct any errors but the drift as far as I know is correct.
Now let's look at that wonky evolved eye and the brain cells etc attached and of which it consists. Its amusing, somewhat chaotic structure that evolved is nevertheless very effective in its many forms, and a solution to an almost insurmountable problem as it evolved from essentially what were hollow tubes of barely sensing and eyeless living tissues, living "matter", full of highly coded DNA, that just happened to emerge from stone-cold lifeless hydrogen atoms, rocks etc, along the way.
All cells are incredibly complex and function holistically with interacting molecular and protein building processes whose complexity outdo any highly engineered man made structure of the highest order, and without which such would not be.
Back to that hydrogen atom, let's look at it more closely. The physicists as they have delved deeper and deeper into it sub particles, the very base of all matter, have found that in some strange way they seem to only come into a hard particle-like state under the influence of some form of mindlike "something". Various theories about this, but the basic idea seems irrefutable on the evidence.
They also appear to neither exist nor not exist, and can "exist" in two incompatible states at once in a "superposition" that appears to be a "cloud of probabilities", much to the perplexity of many disgruntled hard-minded physicists. (Not all, some have become almost-Buddhists).
These particles have non-locality properties, which means that one polarised subparticle knows what the other linked polarised subparticle and its changes are, virtually immediately, apparently EVEN IF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE UNIVERSE! cf: Alain Aspect et al.
This is NOT New Age 'bunkum'. Nothing has been established in a century of trying to disprove this strange nature that so upset Mr Einstein, who spent the remainder of his brilliant life trying to do so, unsuccesfully. Rather these strange properties are now being used in developing our greatest modern scientific accomplishments in numerous fields. In all the current amazing advancements of science, medicine, technology or computers, something of the use of these strange properties is found.
Mr Hamilton. I have little difficulty with anything you say, except with the use of the word "mindless".
Leaving "God" and "design" theme out of it, may I simplify as I understand the current scientific understanding of the evolvement of life.
At the "beginning" (can't have a beginning without time, which the Singularity established, but we will skip over that) there was a "Singularity". Its origin is unestablished, as far as I know. From it occurred the "Big Bang" ejecting all the base matter/energy the Universe would ever use in well under a second. Time-Space (as the continuum of TOR) were also established in that brief moment.
[This is accepting the Big Bang Standard model, but acknowledging those in the scientific community who have the temerity to question such, with strong arguments and pointing out the flaws still inherent in the model. However, let's go with it.]
The ejected matter was initially ONLY hydrogen atoms, the simplest atom, with basically one proton and one electron, perhaps give or take a neutron or two. (This fact alone is incredibly amazing, everything we know has evolved from this simplest of all atoms, unit ONE!)
Suns were later required to form the rest of the elements as those clouds of hydrogen began to clump together randomly under the influence of gravity, one of the three known forces underlying everything. Electromagnetic force, gravity, the strong and weak atomic forces all required were apparently also established with the Big Bang from the "Singularity" in those brief moments.
That is the starting point, Please correct any errors but the drift as far as I know is correct.
Now let's look at that wonky evolved eye and the brain cells etc attached and of which it consists. Its amusing, somewhat chaotic structure that evolved is nevertheless very effective in its many forms, and a solution to an almost insurmountable problem as it evolved from essentially what were hollow tubes of barely sensing and eyeless living tissues, living "matter", full of highly coded DNA, that just happened to emerge from stone-cold lifeless hydrogen atoms, rocks etc, along the way.
All cells are incredibly complex and function holistically with interacting molecular and protein building processes whose complexity outdo any highly engineered man made structure of the highest order, and without which such would not be.
Back to that hydrogen atom, let's look at it more closely. The physicists as they have delved deeper and deeper into it sub particles, the very base of all matter, have found that in some strange way they seem to only come into a hard particle-like state under the influence of some form of mindlike "something". Various theories about this, but the basic idea seems irrefutable on the evidence.
They also appear to neither exist nor not exist, and can "exist" in two incompatible states at once in a "superposition" that appears to be a "cloud of probabilities", much to the perplexity of many disgruntled hard-minded physicists. (Not all, some have become almost-Buddhists).
These particles have non-locality properties, which means that one polarised subparticle knows what the other linked polarised subparticle and its changes are, virtually immediately, apparently EVEN IF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE UNIVERSE! cf: Alain Aspect et al.
This is NOT New Age 'bunkum'. Nothing has been established in a century of trying to disprove this strange nature that so upset Mr Einstein, who spent the remainder of his brilliant life trying to do so, unsuccesfully. Rather these strange properties are now being used in developing our greatest modern scientific accomplishments in numerous fields. In all the current amazing advancements of science, medicine, technology or computers, something of the use of these strange properties is found.
Mr Hamilton. I have little difficulty with anything you say, except with the use of the word "mindless".
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