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Originally posted by RJHindsIs there a Bible verse telling us how old the earth is ?
Age of the earth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j_lA9eWlFQ
The Instructor
Originally posted by sonshipWHat do you think of this?
Is there a Bible verse telling us how old the earth is ?
Where is it ?
This seems not logical because time moves on and on. And the number would have to be updated. So why insist that we know from the bible the age of the earth ?
Maybe you have an approximation by figuring along the lines of genealogies. Don't we see sometimes skipping in bi ...[text shortened]... or something that we really are not specifically [b]told in the divine revelation ?[/b]
Originally posted by JS357Well, before I read many other's opinions on the passage, I understood it to mean that to God a long time to us might be not that long from His perspective.
WHat do you think of this?
2 Peter 3:8
King James Version (KJV)
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Or this:
Psalm 90:4
New International Version
A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.
Originally posted by sonshipI'd been planning to start a thread about this and how the bible stories relate to the list of pharaohs. For example the Ancient Egyptians had a myth about a famine that lasted 7 years, but it happened in the Old Kingdom and if it has any basis in reality refers to the 4.2 Kyear event.
Is there a Bible verse telling us how old the earth is ?
Where is it ?
This seems not logical because time moves on and on. And the number would have to be updated. So why insist that we know from the bible the age of the earth ?
Maybe you have an approximation by figuring along the lines of genealogies. Don't we see sometimes skipping in bi ...[text shortened]... or something that we really are not specifically [b]told in the divine revelation ?[/b]
Originally posted by sonshipThere is no bible verse that says how old the earth is. However, there have been attempts to calculate based on adding the genealogies given down to Joseph, I believe. Then there is a statement about the children of Israel (Jacob) being slaves in Egypt for 430 years, I believe it is. Then they pick up with the length of the reigns of the Kings of Israel that gets them to times that can be associated with other histories like that of the Babylonians. So there could be some gaps but they are generally considered of minor importance in getting a good approximation of the age of the Earth that is 6,000+ years old instead of billions. Some scholars give a generous amount of time to stretch the age to maybe 10,000 years old. However, that is nowhere near the 4.5 billion years needed by evilutionists.
Is there a Bible verse telling us how old the earth is ?
Where is it ?
This seems not logical because time moves on and on. And the number would have to be updated. So why insist that we know from the bible the age of the earth ?
Maybe you have an approximation by figuring along the lines of genealogies. Don't we see sometimes skipping in bi or something that we really are not specifically [b]told in the divine revelation ?[/b]
There isn't really a gap in Genesis at the start, God creates light, separates it from the dark and calls light day and dark night.
The days can't have been 500 million years long as we have circadian rhythms which would be absent had we evolved under those
There are gaps but if you take a literal reading then you can date most of it fairly precisely. They specify Adam being born on day six, and there is an unbroken line of X lived T years when his son Y was born, X lived a total of U years, Y lived N years etc.,
all the way from Adam to Issac, after which some ambiguity comes in. There's a lot of uncertainty between Genesis and Exodus, it is really unclear how long they have been in Egypt. The Moses story is specified to be 480 years before the founding of Solomon's temple.
The ages all look like they should be divided by 12 to get sane ages at death (although that has them being fathers too young), and later the Patriarchs get sane ages if they are divided by 4.
From Abraham on it is impossible to work ot which pharaoh a given biblical story refers to, none of them make sense. Most of the action seems to take place towards the end of The Middle Kingdom and during the Second Intermediate Period (at least if we use the dates from the chronology above), when Upper Egypt was ruled from Thebes, and Lower Egypt was ruled from Hyksos - interestingly they worshipped Set, god of foreigners among other things, and forbade worship of other Gods. It is not clear from the bible whether they mean the Hebrews are interacting with the Hyksos kingdom of the north, or the Egyptian Monarchy in the south. Ahmose 1 (mose = moses = born of) finally defeated the Hyksos, and pushed on into Canaan - only here it's not the Israelites taking the promised land but the Egyptians restoring their Suzerainty over it. Nothing that survives from Egyptian history fits well with the bible stories.
Originally posted by RJHindsyou do understand that the science in the second video is all wrong dont you? the makers are just praying on peoples ignorance. they state scientists presume that the lead has always been in the rock, which is complete nonsense. if you genuinely had an interest in the truth you would know that by now and not be one of the simpletons that these videos are praying on.
Rock dating methods wrong:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fgYSXe_7I0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAxaxjeyLZQ
The Instructor
Originally posted by RJHindsDo you ever consider the issue from a purely biblical perspective ?
Rock dating methods wrong:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fgYSXe_7I0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAxaxjeyLZQ
The Instructor
Originally posted by sonshipI was assuming a literal interpretation of the first chapter of Genesis - verse 3 is:
DeepThought,
There isn't really a gap in Genesis at the start, God creates light, separates it from the dark and calls light day and dark night.
You are of course assuming that God saying [b]"Let there be light" is God CREATING light.
However, what it says is "LET ... there be light". You cannot really insist that nowh ...[text shortened]... id tell us many things.
I will go over your comments a second time latter.[/b]
And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.The narrative ends each day with "And there was evening and there was morning - the nth day." I don't think there's any reason to interpret the narrative as indicating anything other than the usual day night cycle. Whether Genesis should be interpreted literally is another thing. Especially since the sun, the moon and the stars aren't created until the fourth day so it's not clear where the light is meant to be coming from.
And these six were the first rulers among them, who were all along making war with the Egyptians, and were very desirous gradually to destroy them to the very roots. This whole nation was styled Hycsos, that is, Shepherd-kings: for the first syllable Hyc, according to the sacred dialect, denotes a king, as is Sos a shepherd; but this according to the ordinary dialect; and of these is compounded Hycsos: but some say that these people were Arabians." Now in another copy it is said that this word does not denote Kings, but, on the contrary, denotes Captive Shepherds, and this on account of the particle Hyc; for that Hyc, with the aspiration, in the Egyptian tongue again denotes Shepherds, and that expressly also; and this to me seems the more probable opinion, and more agreeable to ancient history. [But Manetho goes on]: "These people, whom we have before named kings, and called shepherds also, and their descendants," as he says, "kept possession of Egypt five hundred and eleven years." After these, he says, "That the kings of Thebais and the other parts of Egypt made an insurrection against the shepherds, and that there a terrible and long war was made between them." He says further, "That under a king, whose name was Alisphragmuthosis, the shepherds were subdued by him, and were indeed driven out of other parts of Egypt, but were shut up in a place that contained ten thousand acres; this place was named Avaris." Manetho says, "That the shepherds built a wall round all this place, which was a large and a strong wall, and this in order to keep all their possessions and their prey within a place of strength, but that Thummosis the son of Alisphragmuthosis made an attempt to take them by force and by siege, with four hundred and eighty thousand men to lie rotund about them, but that, upon his despair of taking the place by that siege, they came to a composition with them, that they should leave Egypt, and go, without any harm to be done to them, whithersoever they would; and that, after this composition was made, they went away with their whole families and effects, not fewer in number than two hundred and forty thousand, and took their journey from Egypt, through the wilderness, for Syria; but that as they were in fear of the Assyrians, who had then the dominion over Asia, they built a city in that country which is now called Judea, and that large enough to contain this great number of men, and called it Jerusalem." Now Manetho, in another book of his, says, "That this nation, thus called Shepherds, were also called Captives, in their sacred books." And this account of his is the truth; for feeding of sheep was the employment of our forefathers in the most ancient ages and as they led such a wandering life in feeding sheep, they were called Shepherds. Nor was it without reason that they were called Captives by the Egyptians, since one of our ancestors, Joseph, told the king of Egypt that he was a captive, and afterward sent for his brethren into Egypt by the king's permission. But as for these matters, I shall make a more exact inquiry about them elsewhere.
The narrative ends each day with "And there was evening and there was morning - the nth day." I don't think there's any reason to interpret the narrative as indicating anything other than the usual day night cycle. Whether Genesis should be interpreted literally is another thing. Especially since the sun, the moon and the stars aren't created until the fourth day so it's not clear where the light is meant to be coming from.
I was recalling "Inherit the Wind" where the attorney for the guy who was being prosecuted for teaching Darwinism asked how they knew how long the days were since the sun and moon haven't been created yet. The problem with capitulating to the literalness of the story is that a day/night cycle where the days and the nights are long enough to get seven days won't work with evolution.
The Egyptian stuff isn't really connected with your earlier post, I've been doing some reading on the internet. They did record deaths and there isn't a pharaoh at the right time who died just after his oldest son for the Moses story - even if they are do avoid telling the whole story.
With the Hyksos, the Upper Nile rulers destroyed most of their records, so there isn't anything there to mention them. There is a reference to 240,000 "Shepherd Kings" in the now lost Aegyptiaca Manetho, according to "Against Apion" by Josephus (second half of section 14), which Josephus identifies with the fleeing Israelites. This is the text: