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My Christian brothers and sisters of Catholicism or Greek Orthodoxy, all those who have the Spirit of Christ are of Christ (Rom. 8:9). And all such human beings are saints.
All the believers in the church in Corinth and the surrounding districts who believed in Jesus were the called saints.
"Paul, a called apostle of Christ Jesus . . . and Sosthenes the brother . . . To the church of God which is in Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, the called saints, with all those who call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place, who is theirs and ours." (1 Cor. 1a,2)
Even the naughty ones, even the backslidden ones in Corinth were saints.
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@sonship saidSo? Who cares? Of what value is that if you do not keep the commandments. You and your sainthood goes straight to hell.
My Christian brothers and sisters of Catholicism or Greek Orthodoxy, all those who have the Spirit of Christ are of Christ (Rom. 8:9). And all such human beings are saints.
All the believers in the church in Corinth and the surrounding districts who believed in Jesus were the called saints.
"Paul, a called apostle of Christ Jesus . . . and Sosthenes the br ...[text shortened]... 2)
Even the naughty ones, even the backslidden ones in Corinth were saints.
Discuss?
- Saints mean nothing
- Born-again means nothing
- Professions of faith mean nothing
- Boasting of the Holy Spirit means nothing
- Knowledge means nothing
- Quoting scripture means nothing
- Prophesying means nothing
The only thing that matters is what gets you into the Kingdom of God. None of the above things do that.
Nothing matters but the Keeping of the commandments
Those who keep the commandments get into the Kingdom of God
All others are cast out
But I know your type. Any excuse to escape the commandments of Christ. Just like the Pharisees, they boasted of their knowledge, their, fancy elaborate dress, their position and their authority. They all will be cast out of the Kingdom of God.
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All the Christians in the church in Corinth were saints.
The New Testament says so.
None of them were promoted to be saints.
They were saints because of calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and receiving Him by faith.
Some of the saints in that church were overcomers and lived a normal Christian life. And some of the saints in the church there were defeated and needed to grow and even repent of certain unforsaken lifestyles.
Positionally, they were set apart for Jesus Christ, sanctified in position and called saints.. Some were growing from positional sanctification to dispositional sanctification. And some we still living the old life though they had received Christ by calling on Him.
"To the church of God which is in Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, called saints . . . "
@sonship saidOf course all were saints. Saints is just a name for members of the church. In the end what matters is whether or not they will get eternal life in the Kingdom of God. A man can call himself anything he wants,
All the Christians in the church in Corinth were saints.
The New Testament says so.
None of them were promoted to be saints.
They were saints because of calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and receiving Him by faith.
Some of the saints in that church were overcomers and lived a normal Christian life. And some of the saints in the church there ...[text shortened]... od which is in Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, called saints . . . "[/b]
- I am a prophet
- I am a pastor
- I am a priest
- I am a saint
Who cares. Its all vanity and meaningless unless in the end they hear Christ say
.. Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: (Matthew 25:34 KJV)
Not all saints will hear those words from Christ because they LIKE YOU chose to disobey the commandments. As Peter said:
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV)
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The saints in the light share a portion allotted to them of Christ.
The saints have been transferred into the kingdom of the Son of Father's love.
The saints have the forgiveness of sins and the redemption in Christ.
"Giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you for a share of the allotted portion of the saints in the light.
Who delivered us out of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins;" (Col. 1:12.14)
@sonship saidYou can call yourself whatever you like, in the end it is what Christ does to you that matters. A professed saint that does not keep the commandments will be cast out of the Kingdom of God. So go right ahead and boast and elevate yourself like the Pharisees did.
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Are you a saint?
I am a saint.
@sonship saidThat seems to rather devalue the concept, don't you think?
Christians do not become elected to be saints.
They do not become recognized for sainthood.
They do not graduate one day into being saints.
They are saints from the moment they receive Christ as their Lord.
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That seems to rather devalue the concept, don't you think?
No it is laying a firm foundation for the new life in Christ to come.
A strong and solid and stable foundation should be lain.
When we believe into this mysterious and resurrected Person we need to see what an indestructible supporting starting point we have. We are set aside for Christ. We are set apart for Christ. We are secure, grounded, rooted in Him. And it is in His power we trust. We no longer look to our own power.
We are in Christ and cannot be removed.
We believers acknowledge that having received Christ as Lord we are set apart and dedicated to Him is to rooted in a firm beginning for our difficult challenges of the Christian life to come.
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avalanche's question was a good one.
Now the very last, LAST sentence of the Bible is that the grace of Christ be with "all the saints". Do you think John meant only with a select graduated or duly elected Christians? Do you think he meant grace should only be with "St. Paul" and "St. Peter" and "St. Augustine"? No indeed. He meant "all the saints." He meant every single believer in Jesus Christ throughout all history and over all the earth.
Look - the very last sentence of the Bible.
"The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints. Amen." (Rev. 22:21)
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We do not trust in ourselves as Christians.
We trust in our having been put into Christ.
And when Satan comes to accuse us saying that we have no right to be saved, we counter his lies by standing on the promises of God.
We are in Christ and our confidence for EVERYTHING is in Christ.
He has overcome the world.
When the Christians begin to call one another saints as they should even that will effect their attitude.
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"The grace of the Lord Jesus, be with all the saints. Amen." (Rev. 22:21)
Is it only that "St. Theresa" and "St. Francis" and "St. Peter" should receive grace?
No. The empowering grace of Christ is with ALL THE SAINTS. That is ALL of those who have believed into Jesus Christ.
@sonship saidI don't care what it says in your book. If all christians are saints, why are there two different words?
"The grace of the Lord Jesus, be with all the saints. Amen." (Rev. 22:21)
Is it only that "St. Theresa" and "St. Francis" and "St. Peter" should receive grace?
No. The empowering grace of Christ is with ALL THE SAINTS. That is ALL of those who have believed into Jesus Christ.
@sonship saidActually your type of Christina put your trust in the teachings of the church, which promote a doctrine of dead faith devoid of good works.
@Rajk999
We do not trust in ourselves as Christians.
We trust in our having been put into Christ.
And when Satan comes to accuse us saying that we have no right to be saved, we counter his lies by standing on the promises of God.
We are in Christ and our confidence for EVERYTHING is in Christ.
He has overcome the world.
When the Christians begin to call one another saints as they should even that will effect their attitude.
True Christians put their trust in the teachings of Christ which if followed leads to living faith full of good works.