-Removed-Not at all. Dictionary definitions by their very nature are the popular definition. But no argument is required for a definition.
To me, altruism means caring for or helping someone else in a non-selfish way. If someone enjoys caring for others, I still call that altruistic. In fact it seems rather silly to even suppose that there are people who act contrary to their own will/desires and label that 'altruism' and then discuss it. What you are really discussing is madness.
-Removed-No. Not all instinctive acts are altruistic. (Especially if you are getting paid to do it).
For example, I have on occasion squashed a fly instinctively that buzzed too close to my face. I don't think the fly would view my action as altruistic, just because it was instinctive.
Incidentally, I find it curious you would question the existence of altruism, something plainly demonstrable, and yet accept the existence of a divine being, plainly indemonstrable.
-Removed-Some instinctive acts are altruistic. Some instinctive acts are not altruistic. I don't think there is any conflict here. There are also acts that are well considered, yet still altruistic.
Take man X who instinctively dives into the water to save a drowning stranger. He acts according to his good character, a character fashioned by his upbringing that taught him to value life and help those in need. (Not for personal reward). Then take man Y who doesn't immediately rush to save the drowning stranger. He takes a moment to consider the risk, then dives in anything to carry out the rescue. Are not both these men altruistic in their actions?
-Removed-But that is only because you have defined it away. You have defined 'self interest' as 'that which a person desires to do'. Thus anyone either acts out of self interest or is not in control of their actions.
If that is not what you are claiming then you are wrong. I have often acted purely through the desire to help someone else, and I am hardly alone in this.
I have a son and I have raised him and cared for him at great personal expense. Now I do this from love and a sense of duty. Can you characterise love and a sense of duty in selfish terms? You can come pretty close, but you will be mostly forcing the matter. Certainly there is no calculation going on in my mind that because I will get some sort of mental reward, I will do something for my son. Certainly if I feel guilt for not doing something, that is part of who I am and assuaging that guilt is not selfishness.
Originally posted by twhiteheadWe have the fellow on the ropes.
But that is only because you have defined it away. You have defined 'self interest' as 'that which a person desires to do'. Thus anyone either acts out of self interest or is not in control of their actions.
If that is not what you are claiming then you are wrong. I have often acted purely through the desire to help someone else, and I am hardly alone ...[text shortened]... t for not doing something, that is part of who I am and assuaging that guilt is not selfishness.
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