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Originally posted by lucifershammerStrike a pose; hold it! Click. Very nice...you look good in them jeans.
Why does everyone here (except the non-OSAS Christians) seem to assume that all Christians are OSAS??
Originally posted by orfeoThat depends on a huge amount of things.
Despite the tone of sarcasm that was apparently said in, it's worth considering the question further. Who is more likely to actually shape the world they live in - someone who is just 'getting on with living', or someone who strongly believes in certain things?
Originally posted by scottishinnzYes, it does. And telerion has already demonstrated that my simplistic post set up a target that was pretty easy to knock down. But a big part of why I responded to your post was because your description of two 'categories' of people was so broad and simplistic.
That depends on a huge amount of things.
Originally posted by orfeoAnd I was just responding to your desultory tone about educated atheists broad mindedness. What would you prefer? Broad mindedness but atheist, and the society that this breeds, or narrow mindedness and Christian, and the society that breeds. Of course there are other possibilites there, but your tone was unequivocal.
Yes, it does. And telerion has already demonstrated that my simplistic post set up a target that was pretty easy to knock down. But a big part of why I responded to your post was because your description of two 'categories' of people was so broad and simplistic.
Sure, educated people - and educated atheists - do a lot of good or even great things. I'd qu ...[text shortened]... in right about the same time he was declaring abortion evil and saying no to women priests.
Originally posted by StarrmanYou were talking about atheist and theist and their working towards
None of that makes any sense, could you try again please?
Originally posted by lucifershammerI hadnt heard of OSAS before freaky brought it up a few weeks ago, so I definately dont make that assumption. There is however a trend in some Christian denominations to assume that once saved it is not that important how you live your life, or put another way, being saved is more important than good works. This is not a view of all Christians but neither is it OSAS.
That's only true for OSAS Christians.
Why does everyone here (except the non-OSAS Christians) seem to assume that all Christians are OSAS??
Originally posted by twhiteheadI agree that there are two lies that go through the Christian faithless.
I hadnt heard of OSAS before freaky brought it up a few weeks ago, so I definately dont make that assumption. There is however a trend in some Christian denominations to assume that once saved it is not that important how you live your life, or put another way, being saved is more important than good works. This is not a view of all Christians but neither ...[text shortened]... Zambia the Roman Catholic Church is the largest denomination and by far the biggest do gooders.
Originally posted by KellyJayit's never black and white for us to define this through someone's faith though is it?
I agree that there are two lies that go through the Christian faithless.
1. Once saved always saved, so you can do whatever you want without
regard to what God asks or demands.
2. You have to earn your way into Heaven by good works on top of
what Christ did, because you need to earn it.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJaywe're never perfect and the good we do isn't always about getting into Heaven. only stupid people try to get into Heaven by good deeds, as most Christians are simply trying to live their life acceptable to Him... in their own personal relationship with Jesus. good points you brought up. i would like to give you a rec, but that would be wrong.
I agree that there are two lies that go through the Christian faithless.
1. Once saved always saved, so you can do whatever you want without
regard to what God asks or demands.
2. You have to earn your way into Heaven by good works on top of
what Christ did, because you need to earn it.
Kelly
Originally posted by telerionNow for theists who do not believe in an infinite afterlife...
I've enjoyed all of the responses so far. Very sincere.
Before I respond directly to your question, let me clarify that I'm reading into your post here a bit by assuming you mean "shape the world they live in" to be a positive action. It should be obvious immediately upon a moments reflection that such an action need not be positive at all!
Anot ...[text shortened]... ot necessarily imply that you do not believe in an afterlife, however, most do not.
Originally posted by KellyJayI dont know why you used the word faithless. If they are Christian then surely they have faith? There is a popular modified version of No 2. which goes something like this:
I agree that there are two lies that go through the Christian faithless.
1. Once saved always saved, so you can do whatever you want without
regard to what God asks or demands.
2. You have to earn your way into Heaven by good works on top of
what Christ did, because you need to earn it.
Kelly