14 Jun '14 13:38>
This is an experiment, and like all good experiments the outcome is not clear - it could be interesting, but it could also fall flat on its proverbial face...
With very few exceptions, most threads in this Forum discuss subjects that have been discussed ad nauseum umpteen times before - like creation, evolution, eternal damnation, etc. In none of these umpteen threads was there ever a conclusion where one side acknowldeged the validity of the other side's position. The thread fizzles out - only to be resurrected with another claim and YouTube link a few days later.
In this context, the matter has been raised as to what is Rational, what is simply Belief, and how we come to hold any belief that we may have.
Also, from the Fundamental Christian side, the ultimate authority always quoted is the Holy Bible. But that is (as has been pointed out numerous times) totally useless in any discussion with somebody who does not accept the validity of the Bible as authoritative. It would be like using Grimms Fairy Tales, or Shakespeare, to prove an incident of history to someone who considers both to be works of fiction.
So here's the deal: I am prepared to put myself on the line and promise to answer as simply and honestly as I can any question anybody might want to put to me concerning my beliefs, and my reasons for holding them. I only reserve the right to terminate a discussion if it appears to deteriorate into aggression, slander or ridicule.
With Christians, I may argue from the Bible, (if it is relevant) ; with atheists I promise to stay far away from any author or source that is not mutually acceptable.
For the record, (and to kick things off):
- I am a theist of the Christian tradition
- I believe that the ToE provides the best explanation for the diversity of life on earth, although it does not pronounce itself on the origins of life itself,
- I believe that the doctrine of Eternal Damnation is insulting to God and unsupportable biblically
- I further believe that every creature on earth has the spark of God in them and deserves our respect - this includes (especially so!) all those of the human variety with whom we may violently disagree.
Something else that you might want to know - I have seen more summers than GB and RJH claim to have seen, so I can attest to a fair deal of practical experience on this third rock from the sun.
Here goes - any takers?
CJ
With very few exceptions, most threads in this Forum discuss subjects that have been discussed ad nauseum umpteen times before - like creation, evolution, eternal damnation, etc. In none of these umpteen threads was there ever a conclusion where one side acknowldeged the validity of the other side's position. The thread fizzles out - only to be resurrected with another claim and YouTube link a few days later.
In this context, the matter has been raised as to what is Rational, what is simply Belief, and how we come to hold any belief that we may have.
Also, from the Fundamental Christian side, the ultimate authority always quoted is the Holy Bible. But that is (as has been pointed out numerous times) totally useless in any discussion with somebody who does not accept the validity of the Bible as authoritative. It would be like using Grimms Fairy Tales, or Shakespeare, to prove an incident of history to someone who considers both to be works of fiction.
So here's the deal: I am prepared to put myself on the line and promise to answer as simply and honestly as I can any question anybody might want to put to me concerning my beliefs, and my reasons for holding them. I only reserve the right to terminate a discussion if it appears to deteriorate into aggression, slander or ridicule.
With Christians, I may argue from the Bible, (if it is relevant) ; with atheists I promise to stay far away from any author or source that is not mutually acceptable.
For the record, (and to kick things off):
- I am a theist of the Christian tradition
- I believe that the ToE provides the best explanation for the diversity of life on earth, although it does not pronounce itself on the origins of life itself,
- I believe that the doctrine of Eternal Damnation is insulting to God and unsupportable biblically
- I further believe that every creature on earth has the spark of God in them and deserves our respect - this includes (especially so!) all those of the human variety with whom we may violently disagree.
Something else that you might want to know - I have seen more summers than GB and RJH claim to have seen, so I can attest to a fair deal of practical experience on this third rock from the sun.
Here goes - any takers?
CJ