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This, as was discovered, was what Jesus said. The statement was deliberately mistranslated by the church 1800 years ago.
Originally posted by caissad4I wonder if there are any christians out there who are prepared to admit the bible is disinformation?
This, as was discovered, was what Jesus said. The statement was deliberately mistranslated by the church 1800 years ago.
Originally posted by karoly aczelWhat does that have to do with the possible mistranslation in question? Surely if Christians loved their neighbor then there would equally be no poverty or hunger. So it is a matter of implementation not misunderstanding. (and the fact that Paul gave them a get out of jail free card).
I wonder if there are any christians out there who are prepared to admit the bible is disinformation?
For if this simple quote was followed, indeed there would be no poverty or hunger
Originally posted by twhitehead"What does that have to do with the possible mistranslation in question?"
What does that have to do with the possible mistranslation in question? Surely if Christians loved their neighbor then there would equally be no poverty or hunger. So it is a matter of implementation not misunderstanding. (and the fact that Paul gave them a get out of jail free card).
Originally posted by caissad4First inaccuracy is that these are not the words of Jesus, but the words of Paul.
This, as was discovered, was what Jesus said. The statement was deliberately mistranslated by the church 1800 years ago.
Originally posted by karoly aczelSo what does disinformation have to do with it when you fully admit that there is really no difference between love and charity?
Pride and the resulting arrogance. Borne of fear and disinformation.
Charity/love of neighbour. A general interpretation of these 2 points is basically the same.
Originally posted by twhiteheadImo fear of a material end to life ,which is inevitable,holds people back from fully extending their ability to love and be charitable. How much is enough? Is 1 million dollars enough? Should there be a law in place that no one shall have more than 1 million dollars? (After the value of their possesions, of course😛)
So what does disinformation have to do with it when you fully admit that there is really no difference between love and charity?
Where does fear come into it?
What does pride have to do with it?
Surely the only reason why Christians do not help the poor is because they are selfish? ie their love for the poor if they have any does not exceed their lov ...[text shortened]... ave met Christians who do do an awful lot for the poor (I went to a Catholic school for example)
Originally posted by karoly aczel"I wonder if there are any christians out there who are prepared to admit the bible is disinformation?"
I wonder if there are any christians out there who are prepared to admit the bible is disinformation?
For if this simple quote was followed, indeed there would be no poverty or hunger
Originally posted by josephwNow, now josephw. Surely you are not going to tell me all christians are united.
[b]"I wonder if there are any christians out there who are prepared to admit the bible is disinformation?"
I wonder if there are any non-Christians out there who are prepared to admit the Bible is God's word, and that if there is misinformation it is promulgated by the misinformed.
"For if this simple quote was followed, indeed there would be ...[text shortened]... istians. It is because of Christians that there aren't more starving people in this world.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI guess the Jehovahs Witnesses are going to stick to their guns on this known and admitted mistranslation. The truth be damned! This was uncovered by historians in the past few years and even admitted to by the Roman Catholic Church , who were responsible for this "adjustment". The Mormons even changed their New Testament to reflect the change. (And jehovah is still a made up word)
[b]First inaccuracy is that these are not the words of Jesus, but the words of Paul.
(1 Corinthians 13:13) . . .Now, however, there remain faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
See the letter, its 1 Corinthians, written after Christ was dead, by Paul.
Originally posted by caissad4it has nothing to do with Jehovahs witnesses, its simply a matter of a correct understanding of the Greek terms. All you have proffered is an opinion, unsubstantiated and to be quite frank, tenuous to say the least. I have provided you with the actual Greek word, in context, its understanding and why it is translated in the way it is. My goodness, you could not even attribute the quote to the right person, what hope is there that anything else you say is accurate?
I guess the Jehovahs Witnesses are going to stick to their guns on this known and admitted mistranslation. The truth be damned! This was uncovered by historians in the past few years and even admitted to by the Roman Catholic Church , who were responsible for this "adjustment". The Mormons even changed their New Testament to reflect the change. (And jehovah is still a made up word)
Originally posted by caissad4Well how about giving us a reference to support those claims.
I guess the Jehovahs Witnesses are going to stick to their guns on this known and admitted mistranslation. The truth be damned! This was uncovered by historians in the past few years and even admitted to by the Roman Catholic Church , who were responsible for this "adjustment".
Originally posted by twhitehead1. Christianity is unsubstamtiated and, by your logic, is entirely false. I agree.
Well how about giving us a reference to support those claims.
So far what you have said has been unsubstantiated and I think Robbie has shown that your claim is false on several points and yet you provide no defense.
[b]The Mormons even changed their New Testament to reflect the change. (And jehovah is still a made up word)
What do you mean by 'made up'? What is your theory on the origin of the word?[/b]
Originally posted by caissad4Hi, it appears only four times in the King James version. 🙁
1. Christianity is unsubstamtiated and, by your logic, is entirely false. I agree.
2. Since you question my stating that jehovah is a made up word you surely know when the name first appeared. I wonder how many times the name jehovah appears in the Kings James Version ?
3. I am not a search service. If you truly seek the truth then you must put your own effort into it.
4. I do agree that robbie is a master at knowledge of word origins.
Originally posted by caissad4All words are either directly made up or come from previous words. I did not say it was not a made up word, I asked what you meant by the claim. Are you saying it was made up recently?
2. Since you question my stating that jehovah is a made up word you surely know when the name first appeared.