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Why should we expect god to do better in the next world than this one?
Originally posted by 667joeThe problem is not on God's side. The problem is on the side of man fallen away from God and having joined an opposition party against God.
Why should we expect god to do better in the next world than this one?
Originally posted by 667joeWe should not expect man to do better apart from God's salvation even if man should migrate to another planet.
Why should we expect god to do better in the next world than this one?
Originally posted by jaywillBut, if god can make heaven perfect, why could he not have made the earth perfect? To quote Woody Allen, god is an under achiever!
We should not expect man to do better apart from God's salvation even if man should migrate to another planet.
Sinful man can only transport his sinful nature to another planet. He needs God's full salvation.
Originally posted by 667joeWhen god was allegedly designing mankind, he knew already that they would fail. He went ahead and designed them to those specifications anyway. Man's failure was a built in feature. God fully intended for mankind to fail.
But, if god can make heaven perfect, why could he not have made the earth perfect? To quote Woody Allen, god is an under achiever!
Originally posted by rwingettYou apparently are not aware of the meaning for the word "intend."
When god was allegedly designing mankind, he knew already that they would fail. He went ahead and designed them to those specifications anyway. Man's failure was a built in feature. God fully intended for mankind to fail.
Originally posted by 667joegod did make the earth perfect. he made human not so perfect.
But, if god can make heaven perfect, why could he not have made the earth perfect? To quote Woody Allen, god is an under achiever!
Originally posted by rwingettyou seem to be confused on god's intent, the meaning of creating anything, failure as a race, free will , god omniscience, and a host of other things
When god was allegedly designing mankind, he knew already that they would fail. He went ahead and designed them to those specifications anyway. Man's failure was a built in feature. God fully intended for mankind to fail.
Originally posted by ZahlanziGod's alleged omniscience and omnipotence are wholly incompatible with 'free will.' He created the world in a certain way, knowing in advance every choice that every man would ever make. He could have altered those starting conditions to produce different results, but did not. We can only conclude that every single thing that happens is exactly what god wanted all along.
you seem to be confused on god's intent, the meaning of creating anything, failure as a race, free will , god omniscience, and a host of other things
if you would know that your 5th child will grow up to be a murderer but your 6th son would cure cancer, would you stop at the 4th child? or not have children at all? or would you let it happen and then tr ...[text shortened]... sometimes tried to guide us into making the right choices. it was a gift, not a design flaw.
Originally posted by ZahlanziKnowing all possible futures is as good as knowing nothing as you do not know which future will become real. For example I know all possible winning numbers in the lottery.
if there isn't then god may have knowledge of all the possible futures.
Originally posted by rwingettyou fail to grasp the concept of design
God's alleged omniscience and omnipotence are wholly incompatible with 'free will.' He created the world in a certain way, knowing in advance every choice that every man would ever make. He could have altered those starting conditions to produce different results, but did not. We can only conclude that every single thing that happens is exactly what god wan ...[text shortened]... ltered is to be an accomplice to the crime. Indeed, it is to be the originator of the crime.
Originally posted by twhiteheadwhy must god take responsibility for them? would you take responsibility for the actions of your children? sure, you are not god you will say, you have no idea how your children would act. but if you restrict your children to a 2 by 2 room to which only you have the key, surely anything bad they could do would be avoided.
Knowing all possible futures is as good as knowing nothing as you do not know which future will become real. For example I know all possible winning numbers in the lottery.
Though one can of course change the set of numbers in the lottery so as to eliminate all undesirable numbers.
So a God that knows all possible futures, must either take responsibilit ...[text shortened]... suffering due to practically unavoidable causes (though some like to blame those all on Adam).
Originally posted by 667joeIs your concept of a "perfect heaven" one in which no creature of free will could not choose to revolt against God ? If that is your idea of a "perfect heaven" I am not sure that God created a "perfect heaven" in that regard.
But, if god can make heaven perfect, why could he not have made the earth perfect? To quote Woody Allen, god is an under achiever!