1. Standard memberRajk999
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    Here are some interesting verses which are often overlooked :

    [Contemporary English Bible]

    Rom 2:1 Some of you accuse others of doing wrong. But there is no excuse for what you do. When you judge others, you condemn yourselves, because you are guilty of doing the very same things.

    Luk 9:49-50 John said, "Master, we saw a man using your name to force demons out of people. But we told him to stop, because he isn't one of us." .. "Don't stop him!" Jesus said. "Anyone who isn't against you is for you."

    Romans 2:6-15
    God will reward each of us for what we have done. He will give eternal life to everyone who has patiently done what is good in the hope of receiving glory, honor, and life that lasts forever.

    But he will show how angry and furious he can be with every selfish person who rejects the truth and wants to do evil. All who are wicked will be punished with trouble and suffering. It doesn't matter if they are Jews or Gentiles. But all who do right will be rewarded with glory, honor, and peace, whether they are Jews or Gentiles.

    God doesn't have any favorites!

    Those people who don't know about God's Law will still be punished for what they do wrong. And the Law will be used to judge everyone who knows what it says. God accepts those who obey his Law, but not those who simply hear it.

    Some people naturally obey the Law's commands, even though they don't have the Law. This proves that the conscience is like a law written in the human heart. And it will show whether we are forgiven or condemned.



    Here are two questions are:
    Is there any benefit in arguing over minor differences in interpretation of the Bible?

    Is it right to condemn non-Christian religions in the light of what is said in Romans 2:6-15?

    What did Christ mean "Anyone who isn't against you is for you" ?
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    30 Sep '11 17:23
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Here are some interesting verses which are often overlooked :

    [Contemporary English Bible]

    [i]Rom 2:1 Some of you accuse others of doing wrong. But there is no excuse for what you do. When you judge others, you condemn yourselves, because you are guilty of doing the very same things.

    Luk 9:49-50 John said, "Master, we saw a man using your name to ...[text shortened]... s 2:6-15?

    What did Christ mean "Anyone who isn't against you is for you" ?
    Does that verse actually say 'god doesn't have favorites?
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    30 Sep '11 18:24
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Does that verse actually say 'god doesn't have favorites?
    The King James Version reads:
    Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

    The International Standard Version reads:
    Rom 2:11 because God does not show partiality.
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    01 Oct '11 06:112 edits
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    The King James Version reads:
    Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

    The International Standard Version reads:
    Rom 2:11 because God does not show partiality.
    I had thought the Jews were His favorites, since He chose them because He
    loved them. Maybe, it was the Israelites that included the Jews, because
    He called them His people.

    P.S. Maybe it was talking about individual favorites among His people.
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    02 Oct '11 05:58
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Here are two questions are:
    Is there any benefit in arguing over minor differences in interpretation of the Bible?
    Is it right to condemn non-Christian religions in the light of what is said in Romans 2:6-15?
    What did Christ mean "Anyone who isn't against you is for you" ?
    First of all, that is 3 questions.

    Secondly your questions are completely loaded, which is probably why not many people have responded.
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    02 Oct '11 06:20
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Here are some interesting verses which are often overlooked :

    [Contemporary English Bible]

    [i]Rom 2:1 Some of you accuse others of doing wrong. But there is no excuse for what you do. When you judge others, you condemn yourselves, because you are guilty of doing the very same things.

    Luk 9:49-50 John said, "Master, we saw a man using your name to ...[text shortened]... s 2:6-15?

    What did Christ mean "Anyone who isn't against you is for you" ?
    It may be of benefit to help solve major difference if we can resolve
    the minor differences.
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    02 Oct '11 06:25
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    What did Christ mean "Anyone who isn't against you is for you" ?
    Christ said whoever is not with Him is against Him.

    There is a difference; your question is worded using the converse.

    What Christ meant was, there are those in the family (with Him) and then there is the rest of the world which stands against Him.

    Stands to reason.
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    02 Oct '11 06:44
    What did Christ mean "Anyone who isn't against you is for you" ?

    After reading this in context in Luke 9:49-50, I think He means
    that anyone that is doing good Christian work by honoring Christ
    is not against them, but is helping in their work. So they should
    not be prevented, but encouraged to continue the good work and
    honor Christ.
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    02 Oct '11 06:50
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Here are some interesting verses which are often overlooked :

    [Contemporary English Bible]

    [i]Rom 2:1 Some of you accuse others of doing wrong. But there is no excuse for what you do. When you judge others, you condemn yourselves, because you are guilty of doing the very same things.

    Luk 9:49-50 John said, "Master, we saw a man using your name to ...[text shortened]... s 2:6-15?

    What did Christ mean "Anyone who isn't against you is for you" ?
    Romans 2 has nothing to do with condemning non-Christian
    religions, but individuals. You should not condemn another
    for something you are doing yourself.
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    02 Oct '11 08:49
    The statements:
    "Anyone who isn't against you is for you"
    and the converse
    "Anyone who is not with you is against you"
    are complete twaddle.

    I can not be against many many things, but they certainly don't have my support. Further, if I am not with something, it definitely does not mean I am against it. Life is not that black and white. There are shades of grey.

    Example 1 : I'm not against people practising a belief in a higher being, no matter the brand, but in no way is that a positive support for any of them. I simply don't care. I subscribe to the belief that others can have a belief without interference from me (and vice versa). But by not being against it, it is not confirmation that I agree with or support it.

    Example 2 (the converse) : take for instance a remote tribe (e.g. Amazonian, Indonesian etc.) who have never encountered civilisation, nor heard of Christianity. At this point they could be said to be "not with you" but their lack of knowledge of your belief does not automatically mean they "are against you". They don't know about you or your belief so, like the example above, cannot be said to automatically against you or your belief.
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    02 Oct '11 09:44
    Originally posted by andrew93
    The statements:
    "Anyone who isn't against you is for you"
    and the converse
    "Anyone who is not with you is against you"
    are complete twaddle.

    I can not be against many many things, but they certainly don't have my support. Further, if I am not with something, it definitely does not mean I am against it. Life is not that black and white. There are ...[text shortened]... like the example above, cannot be said to automatically against you or your belief.
    But what you are saying is not in context with the Bible verse. You
    are generalizing the statements to apply to almost anything. This
    statement by Yahshua (Jesus) concerned a specific incident and
    situation. You are wrong to go take it out of context and apply it to
    any situation.
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    02 Oct '11 13:35
    Originally posted by divegeester
    First of all, that is 3 questions.

    Secondly your questions are completely loaded, which is probably why not many people have responded.
    What would have been a better way to phrase the questions then ?
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    02 Oct '11 13:49
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    What would have been a better way to phrase the questions then ?
    It would have been easier to reply if you had quoted all the scriptures
    with the context of the statements. Most of us can not remember or
    know all scriotures that well.
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    02 Oct '11 14:25
    Originally posted by sumydid
    Christ said whoever is not with Him is against Him.

    There is a difference; your question is worded using the converse.

    What Christ meant was, there are those in the family (with Him) and then there is the rest of the world which stands against Him.

    Stands to reason.
    Christ said both passages. The one I quoted and the one you quoted.
    Why are you choosing to accept one only?

    Is that like how you accept Christ saying faith is important but not accepting that works in important also?
  15. Standard memberRajk999
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    02 Oct '11 14:26
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    It would have been easier to reply if you had quoted all the scriptures
    with the context of the statements. Most of us can not remember or
    know all scriotures that well.
    But I quoted the text of the scripture as well ... 🙂
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