1. Standard membermenace71
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    What do you all think of these books ?
    The book of Enoch for example. Jude quotes it.
    Interesting to say the least. What is everyones take on the Nephlim ? Were these angels that had sex with human women? Or sons of Seth?




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    01 Mar '10 12:121 edit
    Originally posted by menace71
    What do you all think of these books ?
    The book of Enoch for example. Jude quotes it.
    Interesting to say the least. What is everyones take on the Nephlim ? Were these angels that had sex with human women? Or sons of Seth?




    Manny
    I've read Enoch and have to say it was very interesting. In fact, Enoch seems to make references to the coming of Christ. Another interesting tid bit is that Lucifer fell on day #2 of creation if I recall. Also Noah's ark took a few new twists. All in all I recommend people reading it.
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    01 Mar '10 13:04
    Originally posted by menace71
    What do you all think of these books ?
    The book of Enoch for example. Jude quotes it.
    Interesting to say the least. What is everyones take on the Nephlim ? Were these angels that had sex with human women? Or sons of Seth?




    Manny
    Enoch is considered canonical in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.
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    01 Mar '10 13:40
    Originally posted by menace71
    What do you all think of these books ?
    The book of Enoch for example. Jude quotes it.
    Interesting to say the least. What is everyones take on the Nephlim ? Were these angels that had sex with human women? Or sons of Seth?




    Manny
    Jude who? Jude didn't write any books in the Bible. Jude was written by Paul.

    The 66 books of the Bible is the word of God. Anything else is pure speculation.
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    01 Mar '10 13:49
    Originally posted by josephw
    Jude who? Jude didn't write any books in the Bible. Jude was written by Paul.

    The 66 books of the Bible is the word of God. Anything else is pure speculation.
    The 'revealed' or 'inspired' word of God. God didn't actually write the Bible.
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    02 Mar '10 02:58
    Originally posted by josephw
    Jude who? Jude didn't write any books in the Bible. Jude was written by Paul.

    The 66 books of the Bible is the word of God. Anything else is pure speculation.
    “Jude, a bond-servant of Jesus Christ, and a brother of James,” Jude 1

    How can you say Paul wrote in when the author states Himself as who He is?
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    02 Mar '10 02:59
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Enoch is considered canonical in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.
    Indeed I noticed that.




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    02 Mar '10 03:05
    Originally posted by josephw
    Jude who? Jude didn't write any books in the Bible. Jude was written by Paul.

    The 66 books of the Bible is the word of God. Anything else is pure speculation.
    You are mistaken. The book of Jude was not written by Paul.
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    02 Mar '10 03:12
    Indeed I referenced Jude because He references Enoch. Now some think that maybe Paul wrote the book of Hebrews but it's not 100%. The Author obviously new the Law and ordinances of the OT and was able to contrast them with the new covenant.





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    02 Mar '10 03:19
    Originally posted by menace71
    Indeed I referenced Jude because He references Enoch. Now some think that maybe Paul wrote the book of Hebrews but it's not 100%. The Author obviously new the Law and ordinances of the OT and was able to contrast them with the new covenant.





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    I find the gospel of Thomas very interesting, as well. It puts a different spin on things.One can see some eastern over tones in the writers view of Christ and the message.
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    02 Mar '10 03:271 edit
    Originally posted by menace71
    Indeed I referenced Jude because He references Enoch. Now some think that maybe Paul wrote the book of Hebrews but it's not 100%. The Author obviously new the Law and ordinances of the OT and was able to contrast them with the new covenant.





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    Most scholars agree that Hebrews was not written by Paul. There have been doubts about its authorship since antiquity.

    Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_letters#Authenticity_of_the_epistles
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    02 Mar '10 03:31
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    I find the gospel of Thomas very interesting, as well. It puts a different spin on things.One can see some eastern over tones in the writers view of Christ and the message.
    My friend who is a Pastor says there is a Church of Thomas in India that survives to this day. Should google it at minimum to to see. I know a lot of main line Christians have issues with these extra books. I honestly would like to look at them more.


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    02 Mar '10 03:38
    Originally posted by menace71
    My friend who is a Pastor says there is a Church of Thomas in India that survives to this day. Should google it at minimum to to see. I know a lot of main line Christians have issues with these extra books. I honestly would like to look at them more.


    Manny
    Bart Ehrman has a book on just that: Lost Scriptures: Books that Did Not Make It into the New Testament. One review says:

    "A companion to Lost Christianities, this volume provides substantial selections from over three dozen of the Gospels, Acts, Epistles, Apocalypses and revelatory treatises not included in the New Testament canon, but which reveal the diverse and competing forms of early Christianity. Ehrman's introductions helpfully situate the documents in their presumed original settings. An invaluable collection of texts for both students of early Christianity and general readers."

    http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Scriptures-Books-that-Testament/dp/0195182502/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267500873&sr=1-8
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    02 Mar '10 03:49
    Other good books on it are,

    Beyond Belief: The Secret Gospel of Thomas
    by Elaine Pagels

    The Gnostic Gospels
    by Elaine Pagels


    http://www.amazon.com/Gnostic-Gospels-Elaine-Pagels/dp/0679724532
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    02 Mar '10 03:59
    Thanks.



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