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It's quite apparent from the bible that god cares more about his apples than his children!
Originally posted by 667joesome thoughts for consideration
It's quite apparent from the bible that god cares more about his apples than his children!
Originally posted by 667joe"For now we have to explain not only why an omnipotent, omniscient and all-good God should create such a universe and such a man, but also why, foreseeing every move of the feeble, weak-willed, ignorant, and covetous creature to be created, He should nevertheless have created him and, having done so, should be incensed and outraged by man's sin, and why He should deem it necessary to sacrifice His own son on the cross to atone for this sin which was, after all, only a disobedience of one of His commands, and why this atonement and consequent redemption could not have been followed by man's return to Paradise - particularly of those innocent children who had not yet sinned - and why, on Judgement Day, this merciful God should condemn some to eternal torment." K. Baier
It's quite apparent from the bible that god cares more about his apples than his children!
Originally posted by 667joeGod does not punish the innocent.
On one hand, god punishes innocents and on the other hand,god sustains. You can't have it both ways..........unless god is bipolar....or is he tri polar?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo being forever banned from paradise was not a punishment nor painful child birth........
God does not punish the innocent.
(James 1:13) When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone. . .
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe point is are all people after Adam and Eve worthy of being punished because god cares more about his apples (ie keeping people ignorant) than his children? It makes far more sense if there is no god than the logic presented by the bible.
Yes but were they innocent, as you have surmised?
Originally posted by 667joeits, not about apples my friend, nor fruit, nor ignorance, but moral independence and universal sovereignty, whether God has the right to set standards or whether humans are better off making their own morality. one can hardly say that God caused the first human couple to sin, can we.
The point is are all people after Adam and Eve worthy of being punished because god cares more about his apples (ie keeping people ignorant) than his children? It makes far more sense if there is no god than the logic presented by the bible.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou are talking in circles. The bottom line is that god punishes the children for the sins of the parents. You think that is right, and that makes you as unethical as god.
its, not about apples my friend, nor fruit, nor ignorance, but moral independence and universal sovereignty, whether God has the right to set standards or whether humans are better off making their own morality. one can hardly say that God caused the first human couple to sin, can we.
there are natural laws that if one denied can lead to tragic ...[text shortened]... estores it once again, for his original purpose has not been thwarted and he shall carry it out.
Originally posted by 667joeno, i am not talking in circles. You on the other hand are only ever seeing one side of the matter, you have not made one reference to the reconciliation process that God has initiated, nor to the fact that we as humans are responsible for our own actions, nor that as parents we can also help our children through parental example to avoid the consequential actions of the very first parents. God has made a provision that if anyone wishes, they can avoid the consequences of the original parents. i am not God, but a human being, it is those who seek to establish their own morality that have made themselves 'gods', not me!
You are talking in circles. The bottom line is that god punishes the children for the sins of the parents. You think that is right, and that makes you as unethical as god.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAccording to the bible, because of the sin of Eve eating the apple, all women are punished by having to suffer painful child birth. What provisions has god made to avoid that suffering? Also, the apple represented knowledge, and biting the apple represented obtaining knowledge. It's obvious to me you have not bitten the apple. Why does god endorse staying ignorant?
no, i am not talking in circles. You on the other hand are only ever seeing one side of the matter, you have not made one reference to the reconciliation process that God has initiated, nor to the fact that we as humans are responsible for our own actions, nor that as parents we can also help our children through parental example to avoid the conseq ...[text shortened]... it is those who seek to establish their own morality that have made themselves 'gods', not me!
Originally posted by 667joeGod doesn't it's our choice.
According to the bible, because of the sin of Eve eating the apple, all women are punished by having to suffer painful child birth. What provisions has god made to avoid that suffering? Also, the apple represented knowledge, and biting the apple represented obtaining knowledge. It's obvious to me you have not bitten the apple. Why does god endorse staying ignorant?