06 May 19
"The greatest man who ever lived died via the death penalty, I'm grateful to him because of this. Governments were instituted to execute justice. If it wasn't for Jesus dying via the death penalty, we would all have no hope." ~ Wyoming State Senator Lynn Hutchings.
I've never heard this argument before. Is it widely held among those followers of Jesus who support capital punishment?
@fmf said
"The greatest man who ever lived died via the death penalty, I'm grateful to him because of this. Governments were instituted to execute justice. If it wasn't for Jesus dying via the death penalty, we would all have no hope." ~ Wyoming State Senator Lynn Hutchings.
I've never heard this argument before. Is it widely held among those followers of Jesus who support capital punishment?
skip to 1:09 for a hilarious view of this same quote
06 May 19
@rookie54 saidWell she is right in that Jesus death was to make possible that all of our sins can be forgiven one day. I guess the TV host has no idea of that fact. But then many don't.
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skip to 1:09 for a hilarious view of this same quote
But whether one agrees or not it was something God instituted pretty much from the beginning. True maybe today with the consciousness or lack of to some humans it will not deter but to many it still is. Just as speeding is either followed by some and others don't care no matter the price.
But why did God have the death penalty enforced? What did it accomplish? Again back then it was probably be something to deter which would mean that others were kept safe by this. I would think that would be a biggy reason. Why protect the murderer when it wouldn't protect the innocent?
Anyway God has perfect justice whether we agree or not. If you kill a person then God would ask that life back from you. If you stole a mans cow, not only did you have to replace it you would have to replace it with maybe 10 cows. If you couldn't replace it you had to work and live with that household for a matter of a few years until that debt was paid off. So that kind of crime was made to be able to pay it off by your work. But no human life was repayable to a surviving family member in any way so it was God's given right of justice to take the life of the murderer. An eye for an eye.
If the one killed another by accident, a life was still taken. So God had an answer for that. There were 6 cities of refuge that was set up in various parts of their land. The one who killed another had to leave instantly to live in one of those cities to be tried to see if it were truly an accident. If it was they had to stay in the city and could never leave until the governor of that city died. So that may be a year, 60 years or never. Who knows.
"Cities of refuge"
"Levite cities where an unintentional manslayer could seek asylum from the avenger of blood. Six such cities, spread throughout the Promised Land, were appointed by Moses and later by Joshua, under Jehovah’s direction. Upon reaching a city of refuge, the fugitive stated his case to the elders at the city gate and was received hospitably. To prevent willful murderers from taking advantage of this provision, the asylum seeker had to stand trial in the city where the killing took place in order to prove his innocence. If proved innocent, he was returned to the city of refuge, where he had to stay within its boundaries for the rest of his life or until the death of the high priest."​—Nu 35:6, 11-15, 22-29; Jos 20:2-8.
Seems like a pretty wise arrangement to me......
@fmf saidTo argue against the death penalty is an expedition embarked upon by [some of] those who have never had their own child abducted, raped, tortured, dismembered and dumped in a skip.
"The greatest man who ever lived died via the death penalty, I'm grateful to him because of this. Governments were instituted to execute justice. If it wasn't for Jesus dying via the death penalty, we would all have no hope." ~ Wyoming State Senator Lynn Hutchings.
I've never heard this argument before. Is it widely held among those followers of Jesus who support capital punishment?
06 May 19
@divegeester saidI saw an argument in the GF last year where a couple of the RHP perennial virtue signallers were arguing that such a person, who exists in real life, should be eligible for parole. In my world the scenario wouldn’t exist.
To argue against the death penalty is an expedition embarked upon by those who have never had their own child abducted, raped, tortured, dismembered and dumped in a skip.
06 May 19
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@fmf saidNo. That is a rather ghastly view. I imagine these same people also, in the same breath, blame the Jews for his death, and use it as an excuse to be an anti-Semite. A bit hypocritical.
"The greatest man who ever lived died via the death penalty, I'm grateful to him because of this. Governments were instituted to execute justice. If it wasn't for Jesus dying via the death penalty, we would all have no hope." ~ Wyoming State Senator Lynn Hutchings.
I've never heard this argument before. Is it widely held among those followers of Jesus who support capital punishment?
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07 May 19
@galveston75 saidReferences please -- and reliable ones, not the bible or Wikipedia. Thanks.
But whether one agrees or not it was something God instituted pretty much from the beginning.
@divegeester saidI'd rather the perpetrator was in gaol for life.
To argue against the death penalty is an expedition embarked upon by [some of] those who have never had their own child abducted, raped, tortured, dismembered and dumped in a skip.
07 May 19
@galveston75 saidSo do you agree with Lynn Hutchings' argument?
Seems like a pretty wise arrangement to me......
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@fmf saidI'm not even a Christian and I would have to say that's a pretty weak opener.
"The greatest man who ever lived died via the death penalty, I'm grateful to him because of this. Governments were instituted to execute justice. If it wasn't for Jesus dying via the death penalty, we would all have no hope." ~ Wyoming State Senator Lynn Hutchings.
I've never heard this argument before. Is it widely held among those followers of Jesus who support capital punishment?
I'm sure you know that politicians in the USA like to play off Christian beliefs to make sure they get or stay in office to enact their non-Christian policies.
07 May 19
@caesar-salad saidThat the argument in the OP is a "Christian belief" is a given ~ I don't know if there'such mileage in questioning Senator Lynn Hutchings' religious sincerity as she is not here to argue her corner. Hence the question is: 'Is it widely held among those followers of Jesus who support capital punishment?'
I'm sure you know that politicians in the USA like to play off Christian beliefs to make sure they get or stay in office to enact their non-Christian policies.
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@fmf saidBut you are asking this question in a forum where there are about four or five active participants who self-identify as Christian (and, as previously noted, there are a variety of views within Christianity).
That the argument in the OP is a "Christian belief" is a given ~ I don't know if there'such mileage in questioning Senator Lynn Hutchings' religious sincerity as she is not here to argue her corner. Hence the question is: 'Is it widely held among those followers of Jesus who support capital punishment?'
I'm sure there are many other forums where you could garner a wider perspective on the topic -- but it would still be verbiage from those who post on the internet and not including those who go about their lives in silent communion with Christ.
07 May 19
@caesar-salad saidExactly. It's probably more like a dozen though, not four or five. So far, Suzianne does not agree with Hutchings and galveston75 [I think] agrees.
But you are asking this question in a forum where there are about four or five active participants who self-identify as Christian (and, as previously noted, there are a variety of views within Christianity).
07 May 19
@caesar-salad saidSo?
I'm sure there are many other forums where you could garner a wider perspective on the topic.