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@fmf saidNone of the pilots claimed that he had risen from the dead or had healed the sick to demonstrate his divinity.
Did Japanese kamikaze pilots sacrifice themselves because the Emperor of Japan actually was a god and the pilots knew for a fact that it was true, or does it only mean they believed it to be so?
-Removed-Yes, but the pilots need not have believed it to be so.
Perhaps they felt they were giving their lives for what they believed was a greater good, their country, and to help ensure its survival. Perhaps they were giving their lives for their fellow Japanese, no "emperor god" needed. Did everyone who gave their lives in every battle ever fought believe their leader was a god? Demonstrably not.
@suzianne saidThe OP is about Japanese kamikaze pilots who sacrificed themselves because they believed the Emperor of Japan was a god and it isn't about those who did not. Sorry for not being clear.
Yes, but the pilots need not have believed it to be so.
Perhaps they felt they were giving their lives for what they believed was a greater good, their country, and to help ensure its survival. Perhaps they were giving their lives for their fellow Japanese, no "emperor god" needed. Did everyone who gave their lives in every battle ever fought believe their leader was a god? Demonstrably not.
@sonship saidDo you think Japanese kamikaze pilots sacrificing themselves because they believed the Emperor of Japan was a god proved anything about their Emperor? An answer from you would be interesting because you have been inclined to use argumentum ad martyrdom on numerous occasions.
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As you develop this topic where should we look for the element of joy in your underlying opinion here?
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Let me address the essential stupidity of your reasoning.
Number one you'd have to prove to me I ever used Argumentim ad martyrdom as proof of truth.
I don't think I ever did.
I do not argue that because a man Jesus died then what He said and stood for is necessarily logically TRUE, if that is what you mean.
It is stupid to say the kind of Person Jesus was should not be considered accumulating evidence to the commitment He had to what He believed. That includes His voluntary death and willingness to be forsaken by His Father as a sin offering.
No, I never argued "Everyone who DIES for a cause, must have died for a cause which is the truth."
Martyrdom can be considered.
With Christ more important is the resurrection perhaps, that He was VINDICATED as authentic by the miracle of coming back from the dead.
So, we have here from you that people dying for a cause is protection for the sinner in knowing that Argumentum ad Martyrdom fortifies their unrepentance against Jesus Christ.
Just one more handy rationale to assure yourself you need not take the Son of God seriously.
And I'm suppose to want to have such a reasoning head as that ? I'll pass.