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As few pillars of morality as possible

As few pillars of morality as possible

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If we were to define the pillars of morality, and/or the elements of the Golden Rule, as succinctly as possible ~ by which I mean in terms other than the usual 'no harm, no deceit, no coercion' formulation ~ how many would there be? I propose empathy and reciprocity. Any others?


@fmf said
If we were to define the pillars of morality, and/or the elements of the Golden Rule, as succinctly as possible ~ by which I mean in terms other than the usual 'no harm, no deceit, no coercion' formulation ~ how many would there be? I propose empathy and reciprocity. Any others?
I am somewhat resistant to this idea of distilling my moral code down to a few simple principles.

If this could be done, the book on philosophy would have closed long ago, would it not?


@bigdoggproblem said
I am somewhat resistant to this idea of distilling my moral code down to a few simple principles.

If this could be done, the book on philosophy would have closed long ago, would it not?
Euclid only had 5 elements that he used to define mathematics. Nature only has three particles that define the different types of atoms. Etc.

Maximize Utility is one attempt at such a principle.


@bigdoggproblem said
I am somewhat resistant to this idea of distilling my moral code down to a few simple principles.
It's more a case of identifying and recognizing the key elements without diluting them with a proliferation of suggestions.



@bigdoggproblem said
If this could be done, the book on philosophy would have closed long ago, would it not?
If you wish to play a role in producing a thread that attempts to be equal to, and as prolific as, "the book on philosophy", then I will do my best to hang on to your coattails.

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@fmf said
If we were to define the pillars of morality, and/or the elements of the Golden Rule, as succinctly as possible ~ by which I mean in terms other than the usual 'no harm, no deceit, no coercion' formulation ~ how many would there be? I propose empathy and reciprocity. Any others?
No, no others.

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Tát túvam asi

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I think it works.

Sort of like “Love your neighbor as yourself...”

You have to love yourself in order to love your neighbor...

...and you have to love your neighbor in order to love yourself.

Reciprocity...like FMF said... oh yeah, and that Jesus guy.


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I think 'not suffering fools gladly', for example, can often be a virtue, or at least necessary [in order that goodness is not undermined].

But what 'pillar' of morality would such a forthrightness be in service of?


@athousandyoung said
Euclid only had 5 elements that he used to define mathematics. Nature only has three particles that define the different types of atoms. Etc.

Maximize Utility is one attempt at such a principle.
I understood the concept of reduction just fine.

The examples you gave are hard sciences. Those are reducible to fundamental laws.

It is not clear whether human morality is a hard science, or not. Personally, I tend to think it is not.

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@fmf said
If you wish to play a role in producing a thread that attempts to be equal to, and as prolific as, "the book on philosophy", then I will do my best to hang on to your coattails.
Good one! 😛

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@fmf said
If we were to define the pillars of morality, and/or the elements of the Golden Rule, as succinctly as possible ~ by which I mean in terms other than the usual 'no harm, no deceit, no coercion' formulation ~ how many would there be? I propose empathy and reciprocity. Any others?
I propose the threat of retribution as the foundation on which the pillars of morality stand. Harm and coercion turn out to be involved after all. I would add self-preservation as one of the pillars.

It's an interesting question. I would fail at succinctness because I would include awareness, cognition, agency (having some degree of free will and intentionality), and judgment as pillars -- leading to action, inaction, or self-restraint.


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I am my own worst enemy.

I’m a good place for me to start.