1. Cape Town
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    26 Jan '06 07:23
    I just saw this news article

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-01/26/content_4102608.htm

    It says scientists have just discovered an earth like planet about 28,000 light years away.

    I am curious to know what creationists on this site think about this. Clearly if the astronomers are right then the universe is at least 28,000 years old.
  2. Standard memberBosse de Nage
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    26 Jan '06 07:29
    OGLE-2005-BLG-390Lb. Who's ogling who?

    Micro-lensing--incredible!
  3. Standard membercaissad4
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    26 Jan '06 07:51
    And reality destroys yet another christian myth.
    Clearly, all such info is the work of terrorists.
  4. Standard memberBosse de Nage
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    26 Jan '06 07:55
    Originally posted by caissad4
    And reality destroys yet another christian myth.
    Clearly, all such info is the work of terrorists.
    They're operating from submarines beneath the ice of a planet 28,000 light years away.
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    26 Jan '06 10:553 edits
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    I just saw this news article

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-01/26/content_4102608.htm

    It says scientists have just discovered an earth like planet about 28,000 light years away.

    I am curious to know what creationists on this site think about this. Clearly if the astronomers are right then the universe is at least 28,000 years old.
    It's not just an earth like planet, but yet another earth like planet. I believe scientists has discovered several earth like planets this past decade.

    [Edit: I just can't stop saying earth like planet. It's impossible for me to conceive that earth being in the outer rim of our galaxy is actually the one planet resembling others and not the earth like planets resembling earth.]

    [Edit: Did that make any sense to anyone else? Cause it made no sense to me even.]

    [Edit: Although, I think I know what I'm trying to say. Oh well, back to work...]
  6. Cape Town
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    26 Jan '06 13:01
    Originally posted by stocken
    It's not just an earth like planet, but yet another earth like planet. I believe scientists has discovered several earth like planets this past decade.
    My point was that all these discoveries are part of a scientific field or dicipline called astronomy which if the creation account is to be believed must be a field of science based entirely on false principles.
    So why do the ID crowd attack evolution but not astronomy ? Surely they can come up with another theory to be taught in school along side astronomy ? Sticker on text book to read "The existance of stars and Galaxies is just a 'Theory', there are other theories, for more information refer to ....."
  7. Donationrwingett
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    27 Jan '06 01:41
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    My point was that all these discoveries are part of a scientific field or dicipline called astronomy which if the creation account is to be believed must be a field of science based entirely on false principles.
    So why do the ID crowd attack evolution but not astronomy ? Surely they can come up with another theory to be taught in school along side astron ...[text shortened]... Galaxies is just a 'Theory', there are other theories, for more information refer to ....."
    Not all creationists are "young earth creationists." The YECs are probably a minority withing the creationist movement. But they all despise evolution.
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    27 Jan '06 02:031 edit
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    My point was that all these discoveries are part of a scientific field or dicipline called astronomy…

    Originally posted by rwingett
    Not all creationists are "young earth creationists." The YECs are probably a minority withing the creationist movement. But they all despise evolution.
    My point was that all these discoveries are part of a scientific field or dicipline called astronomy which if the creation account is to be believed must be a field of science based entirely on false principles. So why do the ID crowd attack evolution but not astronomy?

    Not all IDers reject evolution or the notion that the earth is billions of years old. Accepting God does not require one to forsake science. Science helps to explain God’s creation so science and religion should work together. Many scientists for example are also theists.
  9. Donationrwingett
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    27 Jan '06 02:14
    Originally posted by The Chess Express
    [b]My point was that all these discoveries are part of a scientific field or dicipline called astronomy which if the creation account is to be believed must be a field of science based entirely on false principles. So why do the ID crowd attack evolution but not astronomy?

    Not all IDers reject evolution or the notion that the earth is billio ...[text shortened]... tion so science and religion should work together. Many scientists for example are also theists.[/b]
    Technically speaking, yes, a creationist could be anyone who believes god created the universe by whatever means. But it is typically meant as someone who specifically rejects evolution.
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    27 Jan '06 02:232 edits
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Technically speaking, yes, a creationist could be anyone who believes god created the universe by whatever means. But it is typically meant as someone who specifically rejects evolution.
    That definition is taken from atheists who seek to discredit creationists, so why should a creationist accept it?

    Edit: The technical meaning should have more weight than bias.
  11. Donationrwingett
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    27 Jan '06 14:20
    Originally posted by The Chess Express
    That definition is taken from atheists who seek to discredit creationists, so why should a creationist accept it?

    [b]Edit:
    The technical meaning should have more weight than bias.[/b]
    So are you a creationist who accepts evolution?
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    27 Jan '06 15:291 edit
    Originally posted by rwingett
    So are you a creationist who accepts evolution?
    I accept it as a viable theory though I don’t necessarily agree with all the conclusions. I also believe that the earth is probably billions and not thousands of years old.
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    27 Jan '06 15:452 edits
    Originally posted by The Chess Express
    [b]My point was that all these discoveries are part of a scientific field or dicipline called astronomy which if the creation account is to be believed must be a field of science based entirely on false principles. So why do the ID crowd attack evolution but not astronomy?

    Not all IDers reject evolution or the notion that the earth is billio ...[text shortened]... tion so science and religion should work together. Many scientists for example are also theists.[/b]
    This is true. Both Dembski and Behe, the two most prominent IDer's, accept the scientific consensus on the age of both the universe and the earth. I know Behe, and I believe Dembski as well, also accepts that all species today, including man, descended from less complicated ones and that there was a common ancestor, or set of common ancestors for all life.

    They disagree with the scientific community when they claim that these earliest ancestors could not have also arisen naturally and insist instead that they could only have been formed by what basically amounts to magic. Poof!

    It is a testament to the uneducated fear, and thus irrational hatred, that YEC's show toward evolution, that so many support the efforts of Behe and Dembski. It's an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality.


    P.S. TCE: Despite my disappointment with your reasoning skills and your ability to follow and understand semi-difficult arguments, I have always wanted to tell you that I appreciate that your willingness to challenge both believers and non-believers here. You do not play partisan games, and I commend you for that.

    Edit: On second thought, maybe its a "I don't know what the heck you're talking about Behe, but if it goes against science and has God in it then Hallelujah!" mentality
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    27 Jan '06 15:57
    Originally posted by telerion
    P.S. TCE: Despite my disappointment with your reasoning skills and your ability to follow and understand semi-difficult arguments, I have always wanted to tell you that I appreciate that your willingness to challenge both believers and non-believers here. You do not play partisan games, and I commend you for that.
    I'll second that.
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    27 Jan '06 15:59
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    I'll second that.
    You're seconding a disguised insult.
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