Originally posted by RJHindsThe FSM is no more comic like, or ridiculous than your silly little god ;]
This is the spirituality forum which is suppose to be debate and
general discussion of the supernatural, religion, and the life after.
We don't need to be sidetracked into debating video games,
monsters, or cartoon characters.
Originally posted by DowardI gave the rational explanation for my disbelief. If you don't think its rational you are welcome to explain why, but it appears perfectly rational to me.
I see. So what you are saying is there is no rational explanation for your disbelief?
I could accept it if you said that there was a lack of evidence, or a scientific explanation for the cause of...well...everything.
I am not even convinced there is a cause. But that has little or nothing to do with my atheism.
However, to say that empirical data does not factor into your decision, then that is either untrue (a lie if you will) or some of the sloppiest thinking I've seen in these forums.
It is the lack of empirical data that factors into my decision. It is your failure to realize that a lack of something cannot be listed that is causing your confusion.
One can find volumes upon volumes of rational thought on the existance of God.
And even more volumes of irrational thought. What I have never seen is rational thought that actually led to the conclusion that God exists.
Some of the greatest minds in history have pondered this very subject and come to the conclusion that the existance of God is indeed rational; admittedly some great minds have come to a different conclusion You may disagree with their perspective, but to say that they have not offered rational arguments, positions or opinions is intellectually dishonest, and unworthy of the quite spirited and excellent discussion that has happened in this thread.
It seems we disagree about what is 'rational'. Surely if some people have an argument that leads to the conclusion that God exists, and some people have an argument that God does not exist, then one group has an error in their argument ie it is not entirely rational.
I am also not sure where I have claimed that nobody has offered a rational argument for the existence of God. Can you quote me on that?
Originally posted by RJHindsAll the time. You are always preaching against Biology, Astronomy, Geology, Physics, and several other branches of science because you think they disagree with the Bible.
I don't recall preaching anti-science rhetoric. When was this?
Drugs can sometimes be used to cure illness and save lives,
but one needs to know how to use them.
But some drugs are best avoided because the vast majority abuse them to everyone detriment.
Originally posted by Agergyes it is, ask it a question and it cannot answer, look to it for principles and its deviod, seek moral guidance and your on your own, a god with ears that cannot hear, a god with eyes that cannot see, a god with a mouth that cannot speak, its ludicrous!
The FSM is no more comic like, or ridiculous than your silly little god ;]
Originally posted by twhiteheadI certainly do not preach against modern physics since it
All the time. You are always preaching against Biology, Astronomy, Geology, Physics, and several other branches of science because you think they disagree with the Bible.
[b]Drugs can sometimes be used to cure illness and save lives,
but one needs to know how to use them.
But some drugs are best avoided because the vast majority abuse them to everyone detriment.[/b]
supports the Biblical view in every way that I am aware.
However, biology hasn't quite got there yet. The biologist
need to discard this evolution crap and just stick with what
is known to be true. Some geologist go out of their way in
an attempt to support evolution with their estimation of
the age of things as being much older than is justified. And
astronomers are beginning to come around to the correct
biblical view of the universe. So in time, when more knowledge
is gained, I believe the sciences will be in agreement with the
Holy Bible.
Originally posted by RJHindsYou have made a number of claims that contradict modern physics. A few which come to mind:
I certainly do not preach against modern physics since it
supports the Biblical view in every way that I am aware.
1. You disputed the dating of fossils that have been dated using methods from physics.
2. You stated that space was infinite - contradicting the big bang theory.
However, biology hasn't quite got there yet. The biologist
need to discard this evolution crap and just stick with what
is known to be true.
Evolution is known to be true.
And astronomers are beginning to come around to the correct
biblical view of the universe.
'beginning to come around', I take is means that nobody actually agrees with you but they will in the near future? Good luck with that.
So in time, when more knowledge is gained, I believe the sciences will be in agreement with the
Holy Bible.
But for now, you are preaching anti-science rhetoric.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat sound exactly like God.
yes it is, ask it a question and it cannot answer, look to it for principles and its deviod, seek moral guidance and your on your own, a god with ears that cannot hear, a god with eyes that cannot see, a god with a mouth that cannot speak, its ludicrous!
Sure, just last week I got down on my knees and prayed. I asked God: "How come the engine of my car leaks orange stuff?"
Not only didn't he answer me (no mouth), I'm pretty certain he didn't hear me either. The whole neighbourhood heard me. Believe me, any deity that's up there could hear me.
Originally posted by RJHindsYour god is so big and real. Ok, how come there are all these religions diametrically opposed to one another, enough to fight wars over time and time again. If there was just one god, it would not put up with such nonsense. Sounds to me if your god actually exists, it is completely insane. Why would you worship an insane god?
My GOD is BIG!!! and real.
A god that supposedly already knows the outcome of every atom in the universe and therefore knows who is supposedly going to "hell" and who is going to "heaven" even before the universe began. So your so-called god has predetermined the people who it will allow into its "kingdom". Some god you have there.
Originally posted by RJHindsThen, using exactly the same logic, you must refuse to consider any argument that is based on a holy god and for exactly the same reason. And yet you do consider it thus demonstrating the logical inconsistency in your 'logic' .
I refuse to consider any argument that is based on a
holy spaghetti monster.
Originally posted by sonhouseIt is man that is the problem, not God.
Your god is so big and real. Ok, how come there are all these religions diametrically opposed to one another, enough to fight wars over time and time again. If there was just one god, it would not put up with such nonsense. Sounds to me if your god actually exists, it is completely insane. Why would you worship an insane god?
A god that supposedly already ...[text shortened]... as predetermined the people who it will allow into its "kingdom". Some god you have there.
But he will fix things once we have had the time
to prove to ourselves that our way is not good.
Until then, do the best you can without blaming God.
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonThere you go talking goobbly gook again.
Then, using exactly the same logic, you must refuse to consider any argument that is based on a holy god and for exactly the same reason. And yet you do consider it thus demonstrating the logical inconsistency in your 'logic' .
Originally posted by shavixmirso God is a mechanic?
That sound exactly like God.
Sure, just last week I got down on my knees and prayed. I asked God: "How come the engine of my car leaks orange stuff?"
Not only didn't he answer me (no mouth), I'm pretty certain he didn't hear me either. The whole neighbourhood heard me. Believe me, any deity that's up there could hear me.
