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    Man is a spiritual creature; as such, he seeks something on which to focus in order to have meaning, purpose and identity.

    If man denies God, he inevitably constructs physical or mental "gods" (Jeremiah 2:28; Galatians 4:8).

    The false gods of atheism:

    (1) Humanism - Man is the measure of things, the highest being; his own god. Gen. 3:5 - "you shall be like God." Man is god.
    (2) Secularism - from Latin saeculum = world. This world is all there is. Self-limiting. The world is god.
    (3) Naturalism - The natural order is the only order. Nature is god.
    (4) Scientism - Physical science will discover and give us all the answers we need. Science is god.
    (5) Positivism - "seeing is believing;" empiricism. Sensory perception is god.
    (6) Materialism - acquisition of material goods is the ultimate goal. William James: "Truth is the cash value of an idea." Money or things is god.
    (7) Intellectualism - By logic and rational thought, man can figure everything out. Epistemological belief-system. Reason is god.
    (8) Existentialism - Everything is tested by human feelings. All is subjective. Emotions are god.
    (9) Relativism - There is no absolute. Everything is relative to your perspective. Personal viewpoint is god.
    (10) Pragmatism - Have to go with what "works." Must be practical. Expedience is god.
    (11) Socialism - The good of the whole is the highest good. Society is god.
    (12) Statism - Government will solve all the problems, and take care of man. Government is god.
    (13) Pluralism - It doesn't matter what you believe or do. Tolerate everything. Diversity is god.
    (14) Hedonism - Sensual pleasure is the highest good. If it feels good, it is good. "Eat, drink and be merry." Pleasure is god.
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    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Man is a spiritual creature; as such, he seeks something on which to focus in order to have meaning, purpose and identity.

    If man denies God, he inevitably constructs physical or mental "gods" (Jeremiah 2:28; Galatians 4:8).

    The false gods of atheism:

    (1) Humanism - Man is the measure of things, the highest being; his own god. Gen. 3:5 - "you sh ...[text shortened]... est good. If it feels good, it is good. "Eat, drink and be merry." Pleasure is god.
    Been there, done that.

    Thank God for His Grace.
  3. Melbourne, Australia
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    15 Mar '10 23:21
    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Man is a spiritual creature; as such, he seeks something on which to focus in order to have meaning, purpose and identity.

    If man denies God, he inevitably constructs physical or mental "gods" (Jeremiah 2:28; Galatians 4:8).

    The false gods of atheism:

    (1) Humanism - Man is the measure of things, the highest being; his own god. Gen. 3:5 - "you sh ...[text shortened]... est good. If it feels good, it is good. "Eat, drink and be merry." Pleasure is god.
    So what?
    How should I come to the conclusion that the 'god is god' belief is any better than any of the others you've described?
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    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Man is a spiritual creature; as such, he seeks something on which to focus in order to have meaning, purpose and identity.

    If man denies God, he inevitably constructs physical or mental "gods" (Jeremiah 2:28; Galatians 4:8).

    The false gods of atheism:

    (1) Humanism - Man is the measure of things, the highest being; his own god. Gen. 3:5 - "you sh est good. If it feels good, it is good. "Eat, drink and be merry." Pleasure is god.
    From, what I've seen, Christians are just as likely to have many of these same "false gods" as atheists.

    BTW, you really should post your source when posting text written by others.
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    Originally posted by amannion
    So what?
    How should I come to the conclusion that the 'god is god' belief is any better than any of the others you've described?
    "How should I come to the conclusion that the 'god is god' belief is any better than any of the others you've described?"

    By trusting Christ.

    See, wasn't that easy? 😉
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    16 Mar '10 00:19
    Originally posted by josephw
    [b]"How should I come to the conclusion that the 'god is god' belief is any better than any of the others you've described?"

    By trusting Christ.

    See, wasn't that easy? 😉[/b]
    Why would I place any trust in this over and above any other conclusion?
    I get your position, but you need to try to see mine. There is nothing about this adoration of Jesus that convinces me that I should also do it.
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    16 Mar '10 00:29
    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Man is a spiritual creature; as such, he seeks something on which to focus in order to have meaning, purpose and identity.

    If man denies God, he inevitably constructs physical or mental "gods" (Jeremiah 2:28; Galatians 4:8).

    The false gods of atheism:

    (1) Humanism - Man is the measure of things, the highest being; his own god. Gen. 3:5 - "you sh ...[text shortened]... est good. If it feels good, it is good. "Eat, drink and be merry." Pleasure is god.
    Where did you copy and paste that from?
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    16 Mar '10 00:301 edit
    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Man is a spiritual creature; as such, he seeks something on which to focus in order to have meaning, purpose and identity.

    If man denies God, he inevitably constructs physical or mental "gods" (Jeremiah 2:28; Galatians 4:8).

    The false gods of atheism:

    (1) Humanism - Man is the measure of things, the highest being; his own god. Gen. 3:5 - "you sh est good. If it feels good, it is good. "Eat, drink and be merry." Pleasure is god.
    It's funny to see a theist using an alleged god/faith as an attack. 🙄

    By the way, aren't one line cliches grand? I wonder what your atheists could to Christianity in one line... Oh, yes. It was "just a joke".
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    16 Mar '10 00:38
    Originally posted by amannion
    Why would I place any trust in this over and above any other conclusion?
    I get your position, but you need to try to see mine. There is nothing about this adoration of Jesus that convinces me that I should also do it.
    Why would I place any trust in this over and above any other conclusion?

    Because it's true.

    What else can I say?

    What if you're wrong? What if Jesus really did rise from the dead?

    I mean, that's what it all boils down to, isn't it?
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    16 Mar '10 00:49
    Originally posted by josephw
    [b]Why would I place any trust in this over and above any other conclusion?

    Because it's true.

    What else can I say?

    What if you're wrong? What if Jesus really did rise from the dead?

    I mean, that's what it all boils down to, isn't it?[/b]
    But what's the basis for your belief in this truth?
    It sure as hell isn't obvious to me or I'd already be a believer.
    If I'm wrong, if someone can rise from the dead, if miracles can happen, if god can create the world, then anything is possible. Werewolves can exist. Ghosts can inhabit creepy old houses. Rabbits can deliver eggs to children. Fairies can replace teeth with money.
    There is no limit to what can happen.
    Yes, this is what it all boils down to.
    Either you accept that a supernatural explanation allows for all of this, or you accept that the world can only be explained naturally.
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    16 Mar '10 00:49
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Where did you copy and paste that from?
    http://www.christinyou.net/pages/atheism.html
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    16 Mar '10 01:551 edit
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    From, what I've seen, Christians are just as likely to have many of these same "false gods" as atheists.

    BTW, you really should post your source when posting text written by others.
    ======================================
    From, what I've seen, Christians are just as likely to have many of these same "false gods" as atheists.
    ======================================


    Careful now. You are likely to blow your disguise of the clear and reliable interpreter of Christian scripture.
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    16 Mar '10 03:35
    Originally posted by amannion
    But what's the basis for your belief in this truth?
    It sure as hell isn't obvious to me or I'd already be a believer.
    If I'm wrong, if someone can rise from the dead, if miracles can happen, if god can create the world, then anything is possible. Werewolves can exist. Ghosts can inhabit creepy old houses. Rabbits can deliver eggs to children. Fairies can ...[text shortened]... nation allows for all of this, or you accept that the world can only be explained naturally.
    Either you accept that a supernatural explanation allows for all of this, or you accept that the world can only be explained naturally.

    No sir. The existence of God does not mean that tooth fairies exist.


    If I'm wrong, if someone can rise from the dead, if miracles can happen, if god can create the world, then anything is possible.

    If, if, if, then anything is possible? Why should that be? There is reality, and there is fantasy. There is fact, and there is fiction. There is truth, and there are lies.


    But what's the basis for your belief in this truth?

    The Word of God!

    Not me. Not you. Not anyone else.

    It really all boils down to a few simple principles. We can either believe we are void of an eternal component and destined to nothingness, or we are separated from the life of God by our sin, of which has been dealt with in a most inglorious way, which seems abhorrent to the casual observer, but to the soul that sees in themselves a flaw so ugly as to cause death, is the life gate.
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    16 Mar '10 03:41
    Originally posted by josephw
    [b]Either you accept that a supernatural explanation allows for all of this, or you accept that the world can only be explained naturally.

    No sir. The existence of God does not mean that tooth fairies exist.


    If I'm wrong, if someone can rise from the dead, if miracles can happen, if god can create the world, then anything is possible.

    I ...[text shortened]... r, but to the soul that sees in themselves a flaw so ugly as to cause death, is the life gate.[/b]
    Not the word of god, but rather words written in a book that you are told or you believe have come from god.

    There is fact and fiction true - so how do you tell one from the other? What's the basis of your system to adjudicate fact from fiction? I use natural vs. supernatural. You don't have that option since you assume supernatural to be possible.

    Accept one supernatural explanation and accept them all.
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    16 Mar '10 03:45
    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Man is a spiritual creature; as such, he seeks something on which to focus in order to have meaning, purpose and identity.

    If man denies God, he inevitably constructs physical or mental "gods" (Jeremiah 2:28; Galatians 4:8).

    The false gods of atheism:

    (1) Humanism - Man is the measure of things, the highest being; his own god. Gen. 3:5 - "you sh ...[text shortened]... est good. If it feels good, it is good. "Eat, drink and be merry." Pleasure is god.
    Uh, dude?

    You, uh, forgot, uh, slackerism, or something?
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