Originally posted by FMFIf the universe has always existed it would negate the need for God to cause it, yet it need not rule out the existence of God since God and the universe could hypothetically both be eternal. Obviously to me it is more plausible that God existed before the universe did since there is a lot of evidence to indicate that the universe does indeed have a beginning.
Yes I know what makes more sense to you but I asked you this: [b]"Are you open to the idea that, if the universe has always existed without a cause, there would have been no need for a "God" to have caused it?" That's my question. It's not about what makes more sense to you, the question I asked you is about what you are open to, like your question to me, which I answered.[/b]
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkIs that a 'yes, I am open to the idea' or 'no, I am not open to the idea'? I am not asking you what is "more plausible" to you, just as that wasn't what you asked me. I am asking if you are open to what I put to you.
If the universe has always existed it would negate the need for God to cause it, yet it need not rule out the existence of God since God and the universe could hypothetically both be eternal. Obviously to me it is more plausible that God existed before the universe did since there is a lot of evidence to indicate that the universe does indeed have a beginning.
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Originally posted by FMFTheir opinion would obviously not make sense to me since I have already indicated to you what does make sense to me.
OK, I've answered your hypothetical. Here's one in return: What if leading scientists had the opinion that the universe did not have a beginning and that it wasn't created? Would that in any way affect your religious beliefs?
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Originally posted by twhiteheadMaybe you should stop desperately trying to deny something you clearly said.
Stop desperately trying to read something into my posts that simply isn't there.
I am still waiting for that admission that you didn't read my post correctly several times over.
You clearly said to Joseph: "You don't have justification." You may try to blank it out but it is there for everyone to see.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI am open to this idea, I suppose, but I don't find it particularly plausible. It seems to be a speculation filling up a space caused by a lack of information.
An eternal being that has no cause for its own existence but is the cause of the universe's existence.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkSo you would reject the new scientific knowledge and it would not affect your previous beliefs, is that the long and short of it?
Their opinion would obviously not make sense to you since I have already indicated to you what does make sense to me.
Originally posted by FMFNo I am not open to an idea that does not sound plausible to me. Why should I be? 🙄
Is that a 'yes, I am open to the idea' or 'no, I am not open to the idea'? I am not asking you what is "more plausible" to you, just as that wasn't what you asked me. I am asking if you are open to what I put to you.
Originally posted by FMFWhat new knowledge are you referring to? I am aware that many scientist currently believe there is ample evidence pointing towards the universe having a beginning. The theories that are invented to explain this away just seem like a desperate attempt by atheists to justify their atheism.
So you would reject the new scientific knowledge and it would not affect your previous beliefs, is that the long and short of it?