1. Standard memberscottishinnz
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    05 Mar '07 22:48
    Originally posted by RBHILL
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    I have always loved this worship song. The music video even makes it better. The best part is 3:30 into it, to 3:40.

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    Okay, here's the question.

    Does being a Christian dull people's sense of taste, about what is good or bad?

    OR

    Do people who choose to follow Jebus have bad taste a priori, in which case, how can we trust their judgement in religious matters?
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    06 Mar '07 00:20
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpVsF4W8V2Y

    I have always loved this worship song. The music video even makes it better. The best part is 3:30 into it, to 3:40.

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    Okay, here's the question.

    Does being a Christian dull people's sense of taste, about wh ...[text shortened]... d taste a priori, in which case, how can we trust their judgement in religious matters?
    I think people have bad taste whether they believe in Jesus or not. Believing in Jesus doesn't automaticaly give one good taste.
    And no, I never trust a mans judgement on religious matters. Not even my own. I trust God only.
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    06 Mar '07 00:50
    Originally posted by josephw
    I think people have bad taste whether they believe in Jesus or not. Believing in Jesus doesn't automaticaly give one good taste.
    And no, I never trust a mans judgement on religious matters. Not even my own. I trust God only.
    That makes the assumption that God exists. Basically, your argument is this;

    "I believe God exists because I assume he does".

    Fantastic - Christian logic at its best!
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    06 Mar '07 01:13
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    That makes the assumption that God exists. Basically, your argument is this;

    "I believe God exists because I assume he does".

    Fantastic - Christian logic at its best!
    No. I know God exists for reasons you don't understand.

    I know that sounds trite, but you want me to be honest don't you?

    It sounds so outlandish to say that God is in me. But what else can I say? Should I say I hope, wish, think, or want to believe he is in me?
    No, I can only say he IS in me! Otherwise I would be a liar.
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    06 Mar '07 01:38
    Originally posted by josephw
    No. I know God exists for reasons you don't understand.

    I know that sounds trite, but you want me to be honest don't you?

    It sounds so outlandish to say that God is in me. But what else can I say? Should I say I hope, wish, think, or want to believe he is in me?
    No, I can only say he IS in me! Otherwise I would be a liar.
    If he/she/it is in you, might it not be possible that this presence/feeling/whatever that you have of god could in fact be you? That is, could your sense of god in you simply be a part of you?
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    06 Mar '07 01:41
    Originally posted by josephw
    No. I know God exists for reasons you don't understand.

    I know that sounds trite, but you want me to be honest don't you?

    It sounds so outlandish to say that God is in me. But what else can I say? Should I say I hope, wish, think, or want to believe he is in me?
    No, I can only say he IS in me! Otherwise I would be a liar.
    The brain is so good at deluding itself. Even Shakespeare made a play on this.
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    06 Mar '07 02:06
    Originally posted by amannion
    If he/she/it is in you, might it not be possible that this presence/feeling/whatever that you have of god could in fact be you? That is, could your sense of god in you simply be a part of you?
    But God is the creator and I am the creature.
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    06 Mar '07 02:09
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    The brain is so good at deluding itself. Even Shakespeare made a play on this.
    That's right. I have lied to myself too. But this is different and maybe impossible to explain. Maybe it can only be experienced.
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    06 Mar '07 02:45
    Originally posted by josephw
    But God is the creator and I am the creature.
    Yes I know that's your belief.
    But its the sense of god being a part of you, being in you that I'm thinking about here. My question is probably really a rhetorical one - could this feeling be a part of ourselves rather than some sort of external manifestation?
    I think its ourselves. I think we generate these feelings and through fear or confusion or simplicity or whatever we rationalise them as something external to us - a god.
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    06 Mar '07 02:48
    Originally posted by josephw
    But this is different and maybe impossible to explain. Maybe it can only be experienced.
    That could be the delusion talking.
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    06 Mar '07 02:59
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpVsF4W8V2Y

    I have always loved this worship song. The music video even makes it better. The best part is 3:30 into it, to 3:40.

    --------------------------------------------------------

    Okay, here's the question.

    Does being a Christian dull people's sense of taste, about wh ...[text shortened]... d taste a priori, in which case, how can we trust their judgement in religious matters?
    Oh, come on, when it comes to christian rock, this really wasn't so bad.

    Try this:

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    The chorus line: "god hates a fag".

    Yep......
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    06 Mar '07 03:15
    Originally posted by joneschr
    Oh, come on, when it comes to christian rock, this really wasn't so bad.

    Try this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5ayrGuo4M8


    The chorus line: "god hates a fag".

    Yep......
    I don't know. To be singing about God hating fags, my gaydar was sure going off listening to him. One thing Christian rock bands haven't learned from secular rock bands is that when the music sucks, it sucks less if there are hot women in the videos.
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    06 Mar '07 03:24
    Originally posted by joneschr
    Oh, come on, when it comes to christian rock, this really wasn't so bad.

    Try this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5ayrGuo4M8


    The chorus line: "god hates a fag".

    Yep......
    Yes, but is worship the cause of bad musical taste?

    Have parishioners brains became rotten with constant hymn singing?
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    06 Mar '07 03:29
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    I don't know. To be singing about God hating fags, my gaydar was sure going off listening to him. One thing Christian rock bands haven't learned from secular rock bands is that when the music sucks, it sucks less if there are hot women in the videos.
    I think you could be onto something, I mean the guy was praying for God to give him strength to resist the temptation of "lying with another man".

    Also, let's face it, he wants God, another male, to (and I quote) "fill him with his love".

    Likewise, the line "there's no *back door* into heaven" was just a little too telling.

    Hmm, this guy has issues, clearly.
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    06 Mar '07 03:38
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    Yes, but is worship the cause of bad musical taste?

    Have parishioners brains became rotten with constant hymn singing?
    Hymns are not the problem. It is doubtful that these two knuckleheads have ever heard Ein Fest Berg (A Mighty Fortress) played on an organ with 12,000 pipe and a highly trained choir singing. Perhaps I'm a snob, but there is a real majesty and reverence to that.
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