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    24 Jul '07 17:47
    "Allah is the proper name for Almighty God, and is often translated merely as "God." Allah has other names that are used to describe His characteristics: the Creator, the Sustainer, the Merciful, the Compassionate""4.171":    O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
    "5.73":    Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve.

    "5.82":    Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.
    "5.116":    And when Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah he will say: Glory be to Thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say); if I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it; Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I do not know what is in Thy mind, surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen things.
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    24 Jul '07 18:12
    Originally posted by webbinator
    [b]"Allah is the proper name for Almighty God, and is often translated merely as "God." Allah has other names that are used to describe His characteristics: the Creator, the Sustainer, the Merciful, the Compassionate""4.171":    
    I've got some others names for God. ­čśë

    Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder; and his name will be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God. The everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace."
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    24 Jul '07 18:38
    Originally posted by webbinator
    "Allah is the proper name for Almighty God, and is often translated merely as "God." Allah has other names that are used to describe His characteristics: the Creator, the Sustainer, the Merciful, the Compassionate""4.171": O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; t ...[text shortened]... not know what is in Thy mind, surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen things.
    Prior to Muhammad, Allah was worshiped along with a whole pantheon of other gods (360), and was in fact worshiped at Mecca long before Muhammad even arrived on the scene. Furthermore, "Allah" wasn't initially a proper name, but meant simply, "the god", so it is a mistake to claim it is the Almighty God's revealed name. Allah was a pagan god promoted to "the god" at the expense of all the other gods at that time.
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    24 Jul '07 21:192 edits
    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Prior to Muhammad, Allah was worshiped along with a whole pantheon of other gods (360), and was in fact worshiped at Mecca long before Muhammad even arrived on the scene. Furthermore, "Allah" wasn't initially a proper name, but meant simply, "the god", so it is a mistake to claim it is the Almighty God's revealed name. Allah was a pagan god promoted to "the god" at the expense of all the other gods at that time.
    Be careful now. I think you just earned yourself a beheading­čśŤ

    Hopefully it will not also deteriorate into mindless rioting and further killing.
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    24 Jul '07 21:29
    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Prior to Muhammad, Allah was worshiped along with a whole pantheon of other gods (360), and was in fact worshiped at Mecca long before Muhammad even arrived on the scene. Furthermore, "Allah" wasn't initially a proper name, but meant simply, "the god", so it is a mistake to claim it is the Almighty God's revealed name. Allah was a pagan god promoted to "the god" at the expense of all the other gods at that time.
    Do you know what is the name of GOD in the language of Jesus Christ?

    I don't think you know,

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    Your Bible talks only about prophets sent to Jewish. It doesn't tell you anything about other prophets who were sent every where. That is why you show this post.
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    24 Jul '07 21:34
    Originally posted by whodey
    Be careful now. I think you just earned yourself a beheading­čśŤ

    Hopefully it will not also deteriorate into mindless rioting and further killing.
    It makes me crazy to read this post after this long time of talking in this forum. I have seen a show for a preist called Benny Hin, do yo listen to him so much?

    In the show he sold his congregation 8 scriptures from Genesis 26 to save them from crazy Muslims who want to kill them.
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    Did you give yourself a time to think about what is being said?
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    24 Jul '07 21:48
    Originally posted by ahosyney
    Your Bible talks only about prophets sent to Jewish. It doesn't tell you anything about other prophets who were sent every where. That is why you show this post.[/b]
    Here is an interesting question. How does one know if a prophet is sent by God? For example, in Revelation 16:13 we see a false prophet who has helped facilitate an invasion into the Holy Land for the final battle of Armageddon. In fact, he is even said to have had "powers" to see into the future in order to be seen as a prophet.
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    24 Jul '07 22:20
    Originally posted by whodey
    Here is an interesting question. How does one know if a prophet is sent by God? For example, in Revelation 16:13 we see a false prophet who has helped facilitate an invasion into the Holy Land for the final battle of Armageddon. In fact, he is even said to have had "powers" to see into the future in order to be seen as a prophet.
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    24 Jul '07 22:20
    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Prior to Muhammad, Allah was worshiped along with a whole pantheon of other gods (360), and was in fact worshiped at Mecca long before Muhammad even arrived on the scene. Furthermore, "Allah" wasn't initially a proper name, but meant simply, "the god", so it is a mistake to claim it is the Almighty God's revealed name. Allah was a pagan god promoted to "the god" at the expense of all the other gods at that time.
    Where's this come from? It's news to me.
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    25 Jul '07 03:048 edits
    Originally posted by ahosyney
    It makes me crazy to read this post after this long time of talking in this forum. I have seen a show for a preist called Benny Hin, do yo listen to him so much?

    In the show he sold his congregation 8 scriptures from Genesis 26 to save them from crazy Muslims who want to kill them.
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    Did you give yourself a time to think about what is being said?
    I do not listen to the preacher in question so I guess I will take your word for what he says. However, despite the fact that not ALL Muslims are like this does not mean that this is the stereotype because the reality is that many are like this. Just turn on the 6 o'clock news.

    One of the main reasons I disdain Islamic beliefs is due to the violence that it seems to generate. Murder becomes maryterdom. In terms of the early Christian church, maryterdom only occured as the respective Christian was not fighting back in any way. Granted, many years later the religion became perverted to various degrees via the conquests of Constatine and the Crusades and such that occured in the name of Christ. I do not defend those "Christians", however. They were in no way Christ-like. Christ ushered in a new era of grace in which OT butchery to stop sin is no longer needed. Now we have the blood of Jesus to stop sin. To me, Islam is a throwback to that OT theology of an eye for an eye. Conversly, Christ commanded us to love our enemies. So if you claim that Christ is a prophet from Allah you have one of two choices. You can ignore a prophet from Allah or simply say that Chirst never said such a thing. I assum you will say the later and much is the pity.

    I would like to mention that I have a Muslim friend. He is from Africa and is one of the nicest people I have ever met. He told me that he and his father, even though they were Muslim, were told they were infidels because they were not fundamentalists and often cohorted with "sinners". In fact, his father came close to being killed by one of these fundamentalists. It seemed stange to me at the time in listening to him because his father turned the other cheek and did not render evil for evil even though he was wronged. It seemed to me that his theology mirrored Christs more than it did Mohammad's yet he remained a Muslim instead of a Christian.
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    It is interesting to watch the devout of different faiths challenge one another on the validity of each other's unsubstantiated beliefs. It is rather like watching two people debate which is real: the Easter Bunny or Santa Clause.

    I quote from Sam Harris in "Letter to a Christian Nation":

    "Consider: every devout Muslim has the same reasons for being a Muslim that you have for being a Christian. And yet you do not find their reasons compelling. The Koran repeatedly declares that it is the perfect word of the creator of the universe. Muslims believe this as fully as you believe the Bible’s account of itself. There is a vast literature describing the life of Muhammad that, from the point of view of Islam, proves that he was the most recent prophet of God. Muhammad also assured his followers that Jesus was not divine (Koran 5:71-75, 19:30-38) and that anyone who believes otherwise will spend eternity in hell. Muslims are certain that Muhammad’s opinion on this subject, as on all others, is infallible.

    Why don’t you lose any sleep over whether to convert to Islam? Can you prove that Allah is not the one, true God? Can you prove that the archangel Gabriel did not visit Muhammad in his cave? Of course not. But you need not prove any of these things to reject the beliefs of Muslims as absurd. The burden is upon them to prove that their beliefs about God and Muhammad are Valid. They have not done this. They cannot do this. Muslims are simply not making claims about reality that can be corroborated. This is perfectly apparent to anyone who has not anesthetized himself with the dogma of Islam.

    The truth is, you know exactly what it is like to be an atheist with the respect to the beliefs of Muslims. Isn’t it obvious that Muslims are fooling themselves? Isn’t it obvious that anyone who thinks the Koran is the perfect word of the creator of the universe has not read the book critically? Isn’t it obvious that the doctrine of Islam represents a near-perfect barrier to honest inquiry? Yes, these things are obvious. Understand that the way you view Islam is precisely the way devout Muslims view Christianity. And it is the way I view all religions."
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    25 Jul '07 03:41
    Originally posted by TheSkipper
    It is interesting to watch the devout of different faiths challenge one another on the validity of each other's unsubstantiated beliefs. It is rather like watching two people debate which is real: the Easter Bunny or Santa Clause.

    I quote from Sam Harris in "Letter to a Christian Nation":

    "Consider: every devout Muslim has the same reasons for bein ...[text shortened]... ecisely the way devout Muslims view Christianity. And it is the way I view all religions."
    Forget proving anything. Instead of doing that why not compare the theology of Christ and Mohammad? Which is more compelling? Is it more compelling to hate your enemies and kill them or to turn the other cheek and love them despite themselves? Which one rings more "righteous". Which one leans on the side of truth?
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    25 Jul '07 03:43
    Originally posted by whodey
    Forget proving anything. Instead of doing that why not compare the theology of Christ and Mohammad? Which is more compelling? Is it more compelling to hate your enemies and kill them or to turn the other cheek and love them despite themselves? Which one rings more "righteous". Which one leans on the side of truth?
    Millions of Muslims would respond with one voice: "Islam"

    I simply say neither.
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    25 Jul '07 03:45
    Originally posted by whodey
    Forget proving anything.
    Yes, all theists seem quick to do that. Telling...isn't it?

    Like Dawkins (I think) wrote...

    I simply believe in one less God than you do.
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    25 Jul '07 03:453 edits
    Originally posted by TheSkipper
    Millions of Muslims would respond with one voice: "Islam"

    I simply say neither.
    So you don't mind if one day you are viewed as the infidel for not being a Muslim and are subsequently dealt with as such?
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