1. Zugzwang
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    08 Feb '14 22:57
    This post should resolve a recent dispute between GrampyBobby and me.

    Katherine Russell married Charles Tait, whom I described as a 'Christian
    pastor' (which seems relevant to this forum), who influenced her into
    becoming a Christian. GrampyBobby questioned my description of him
    as a 'Christian pastor', citing something by Katherine Tait describing him
    as a 'civil servant'. GrampyBobby seemed to take this as a contradiction
    or simply that I must have been mistaken.

    I knew that Charles Tait was a Christian pastor, but I did not recall his
    earlier occupation(s). In fact, Charles Tait was a civil servant (US State
    Department) *before* he became a Christian pastor (Episcopal Church).
    (My source is Ronald Clark's biography of Bertrand Russell.) It's common
    for people to have more than one job in their lives, and being a Christian
    pastor is more relevant than being a civil servant to this forum's discussion.
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    Originally posted by Duchess64
    This post should resolve a recent dispute between GrampyBobby and me.

    Katherine Russell married Charles Tait, whom I described as a 'Christian
    pastor' (which seems relevant to this forum), who influenced her into
    becoming a Christian. GrampyBobby questioned my description of him
    as a 'Christian pastor', citing something by Katherine Tait describing ...[text shortened]... eing a Christian
    pastor is more relevant than being a civil servant to this forum's discussion.
    This seems important.
  3. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    Originally posted by Duchess64
    This post should resolve a recent dispute between GrampyBobby and me.

    Katherine Russell married Charles Tait, whom I described as a 'Christian
    pastor' (which seems relevant to this forum), who influenced her into
    becoming a Christian. GrampyBobby questioned my description of him
    as a 'Christian pastor', citing something by Katherine Tait describing ...[text shortened]... eing a Christian
    pastor is more relevant than being a civil servant to this forum's discussion.
    Tenacity and civility both matter; I appreciate your diligence in connecting one day with the next. Thank you, Duchess64...

    "Lessons from Bertrand Russell – by way of his daughter. "Why I Am Not A Christian" Thread 157649
    On her desire to share her faith with her father:" “I would have liked to convince my father that I had found what he had been looking for, the ineffable something he had longed for all his life. I would have liked to persuade him that the search for God does not have to be vain. But it was hopeless. He had known too many blind Christians, bleak moralists who sucked the joy from life and persecuted their opponents; he would never have been able to see the truth they were hiding… All I could do was trust him to God’s care, knowing that God loved him more than I did and would do what was best for him."
    "For more of her story, you can find her book on Amazon." (final paragraph)

    http://www.apologeticsreview.com/2012/02/18/lessons-from-bertrand-russell-by-way-of-his-daughter/
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Tenacity and civility both matter; I appreciate your diligence in connecting one day with the next. Thank you, Duchess64...

    [b]"Lessons from Bertrand Russell – by way of his daughter. "Why I Am Not A Christian" Thread 157649

    On her desire to share her faith with her father:" [i]“I would have liked to convince my father that I had f ...[text shortened]... ttp://www.apologeticsreview.com/2012/02/18/lessons-from-bertrand-russell-by-way-of-his-daughter/[/b]
    Jesus warns us to

    “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?"

    (Matthew 7:15-16 NKJV)

    These are false Christians that are after taking everything they can get from you. So keep alert and...

    Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.

    (Ephesians 6:11 NASB)

    Apparently Bertrand Russell fell victum to these schemes, as his daughter seems to be pointing out. Those thornbushes and thistles will leave you spiritually wounded.
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    09 Feb '14 13:122 edits
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    This post should resolve a recent dispute between GrampyBobby and me.

    Katherine Russell married Charles Tait, whom I described as a 'Christian
    pastor' (which seems relevant to this forum), who influenced her into
    becoming a Christian. GrampyBobby questioned my description of him
    as a 'Christian pastor', citing something by Katherine Tait describing ...[text shortened]... eing a Christian
    pastor is more relevant than being a civil servant to this forum's discussion.
    It's common
    for people to have more than one job in their lives, and being a Christian
    pastor is more relevant than being a civil servant to this forum's discussion.


    It shouldn't necessarily be.

    Peter - a fisherman.
    Matthew - a tax collector.
    Luke - a physician
    Paul - former rabbi making tents to support his team of co-workers
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    09 Feb '14 19:34
    Originally posted by sonship
    It's common
    for people to have more than one job in their lives, and being a Christian
    pastor is more relevant than being a civil servant to this forum's discussion.


    It shouldn't necessarily be.

    Peter - a fisherman.
    Matthew - a tax collector.
    Luke - a physician
    Paul - former rabbi making tents to support his team of co-workers
    Charles Tait was a civil servant (US State Department) before he became
    a Christian pastor (Episcopal Church). In this Spirituality forum, it's more
    relevant to discuss Christianity than to discuss the US State Department.
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    09 Feb '14 19:38
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Charles Tait was a civil servant (US State Department) before he became
    a Christian pastor (Episcopal Church). In this Spirituality forum, it's more
    relevant to discuss Christianity than to discuss the US State Department.
    I get it.
  8. Zugzwang
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    09 Feb '14 19:42
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Tenacity and civility both matter; I appreciate your diligence in connecting one day with the next. Thank you, Duchess64...

    [b]"Lessons from Bertrand Russell – by way of his daughter. "Why I Am Not A Christian" Thread 157649

    On her desire to share her faith with her father:" [i]“I would have liked to convince my father that I had f ...[text shortened]... ttp://www.apologeticsreview.com/2012/02/18/lessons-from-bertrand-russell-by-way-of-his-daughter/[/b]
    According to Ronald Clark (a biographer of Bertrand Russell), Charles Tait
    was 'liberal' by most American standards, and he seemed to get along
    at least fairly well personally with Bertrand Russell. Indeed, Bertrand
    Russell had cordial, if not friendly, personal relations with many Christians.

    Bertrand Russell once said that, while he could criticize Frederick Copleston
    for deciding to become a Jesuit, he would not criticize him for the 'detailed
    consequences' of having become one. Bertrand Russell and Frederick
    Copleston (who debated about the existence of God) regarded each other
    with respect.
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    14 Feb '14 20:10
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    According to Ronald Clark (a biographer of Bertrand Russell), Charles Tait
    was 'liberal' by most American standards, and he seemed to get along
    at least fairly well personally with Bertrand Russell. Indeed, Bertrand
    Russell had cordial, if not friendly, personal relations with many Christians.

    Bertrand Russell once said that, while he could criticiz ...[text shortened]... Frederick
    Copleston (who debated about the existence of God) regarded each other
    with respect.
    " Indeed, Bertrand Russell had cordial, if not friendly, personal relations with many Christians." -Duchess64

    Thanks for your in depth knowledge of Russell and his son in law. I'd be interested in reading more biographical detail.
  10. Zugzwang
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    " Indeed, Bertrand Russell had cordial, if not friendly, personal relations with many Christians." -Duchess64

    Thanks for your in depth knowledge of Russell and his son in law. I'd be interested in reading more biographical detail.
    After having five children together, Katherine Tait (nee Russell) and
    Charles Tait (then a Christian pastor) got divorced. (My source is
    Caroline Moorehead's biography of Bertrand Russell.) Even though both
    husband and wife were devout Christians, that was not enough to bridge
    their irreconcilable differences and save their marriage.

    Lucy Russell, one of Bertrand Russell's granddaughters, converted to
    Buddhism while she was living in East Asia. At age 26, apparently afflicted
    by mental illness, she committed ritual suicide (imitating some Buddhist
    monks had protested against a Catholic-led regime in South Vietnam) by
    setting herself on fire in England. Coincidentally (?), Bertrand Russell had
    been an outspoken critic of US military intervention in Indochina.
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    02 Mar '14 22:12
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    This post should resolve a recent dispute between GrampyBobby and me.

    Katherine Russell married Charles Tait, whom I described as a 'Christian
    pastor' (which seems relevant to this forum), who influenced her into
    becoming a Christian. GrampyBobby questioned my description of him
    as a 'Christian pastor', citing something by Katherine Tait describing ...[text shortened]... eing a Christian
    pastor is more relevant than being a civil servant to this forum's discussion.
    Duchess64 is thanked for Duchess64's contribution and subsequent referential support of the same.
    In the future, it is hoped Duchess64 will cite Duchess64's sources simultaneous with Duchess64's claims in order for Duchess64's assertions to be considered in a fashion more scholarly than mere hearsay.
    Duchess64 is hereby reinstated as a member in good standing with all manner of puff and stuff.
    Harrumph.
    Harrumph.
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    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Duchess64 is thanked for Duchess64's contribution and subsequent referential support of the same.
    In the future, it is hoped Duchess64 will cite Duchess64's sources simultaneous with Duchess64's claims in order for Duchess64's assertions to be considered in a fashion more scholarly than mere hearsay.
    Duchess64 is hereby reinstated as a member in good standing with all manner of puff and stuff.
    Harrumph.
    Harrumph.
    In fact, Grampy Bobby has thanked me for clarifying some confusion
    about the occupation(s) of Charles Tait (Bertrand Russell's son-in-law).
    Grampy Bobby also expressed his interest in learning more 'biographical
    detail' about Charles Tait or, it seemed, other members of Russell's family.
    And I simply wrote a factually accurate response to that request.

    On this subject, Grampy Bobby has behaved much more decently than
    FreakyKBH, whose only 'contribution' has been to vent his spleen at me.
    FreakyKBH has used my posts as a pretext to write another personal attack
    or put-down of me. I already know that FreakyKBH loathes me. The only
    mildly interesting question it might raise is why so many self-evidently
    'morally superior' Christians here seem so full of prejudices and hatred.
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    Originally posted by Duchess64
    In fact, Grampy Bobby has thanked me for clarifying some confusion
    about the occupation(s) of Charles Tait (Bertrand Russell's son-in-law).
    Grampy Bobby also expressed his interest in learning more 'biographical
    detail' about Charles Tait or, it seemed, other members of Russell's family.
    And I simply wrote a factually accurate response to that request ...[text shortened]... o many self-evidently
    'morally superior' Christians here seem so full of prejudices and hatred.
    Alright, Duchess64, but FreakyKBH gots to warn Duchess64: Duchess64 asked for it...

    As any entry-level anatomy student knows, the spleen's primary function in the human body is to act as a blood filter.
    As has been pointed out to Duchess64 too numerous times to recall, FreakyKBH prefers to smoke without a filter, so Duchess64's hurtful side-ways jab here is totally without merit as well as merit-less and pain inducing.

    And, as Duchess64 is also fully aware, FreakyKBH has a long-established policy of using a loofah--- decidedly NOT a lathe--- which FreakyKBH is accused of by Duchess64 in one of Duchess64's recent unseemly and garrulous posts.

    While FreakyKBH agrees with Duchess64's accurate assessment of FreakyKBH's "self-evident" moral superiority, FreakyKBH nonetheless thanks Duchess64 for pointing out what FreakyKBH was too modest to draw attention to on FreakyKBH's behalf; namely, FreakyKBH is, indeed, self-evidently morally superior.

    Such moral superiority precludes prejudice and hatred, even toward one with eccentric and self-absorbed behavior as Duchess64 has demonstrated on this forum.
    FreakyKBH assumes Duchess64 has simply confused getting Duchess64's delicate protuberance in vertebrates tweaked with an emotional reaction on the part of FreakyKBH, whereas (as is clear to most other objective readers) FreakyKBH is obviously simply enjoying the sport afforded by Duchess64's pomposity.
  14. Zugzwang
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    03 Mar '14 20:18
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Alright, Duchess64, but FreakyKBH gots to warn Duchess64: Duchess64 asked for it...

    As any entry-level anatomy student knows, the spleen's primary function in the human body is to act as a blood filter.
    As has been pointed out to Duchess64 too numerous times to recall, FreakyKBH prefers to smoke without a filter, so Duchess64's hurtful side-ways jab he ...[text shortened]... ive readers) FreakyKBH is obviously simply enjoying the sport afforded by Duchess64's pomposity.
    FreakyKBH, an obvious troll, warrants no response beyond absolute disdain.
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