Bhagavad gita Cht 4 vs 24

Originally posted by Dasa
Every living being is a son of God.

You are a son of God

Your neighbour is a son of God.

Atheists are sons of God...............(but deny him).

How is this possible?

Because the son means the soul and every soul is an offspring of the Supreme soul God.

The Bible is not the authority because it is the religion of the animal killers.

The Bibl ...[text shortened]... id of true knowledge.

Any religion that does not speak out against animal slaughter is false.

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Every living being is a son of God.
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We do not need to proclaim that every living thing must be a son of God in order to respect living things.

That is a need you seem to have.

All living things have the created life. Not all living things have the uncreated divine Person as their indwelling life. But Christians do not need that to be so in order to respect other lives.

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You are a son of God
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I am a son of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

" As many as RECEIVED HIM [the Son of God] to them He gave authority to become children of God ..."

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Your neighbour is a son of God.
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You don't know that. And as a Christian I can love and respect my neighbor without my neighbor being a son of God.

You have a need to pronounce everything a son of God in order to be at peace with all things. I do not have that need.

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Atheists are sons of God...............(but deny him).
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If they do not receive Christ, it doesn't matter if they are athiests or theists. They are not a son of God if they have not been born of the Spirit of God.

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How is this possible?
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The Vedas hold not authority for me.
It is not possible to be son of God and not have received the Spirit of that God's life.

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Because the son means the soul and every soul is an offspring of the Supreme soul God.
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There is ground in the New Testament to say that all created people are in some sense offspring of God. However, regeneration makes a man possess the uncreated life of the Divine Being. And he can call God Father.

The unregenerated person has the created life which certainly comes from God. But until regeneration he cannot call God his Father.

That would go for you also.

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The Bible is not the authority because it is the religion of the animal killers.
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India is filled with starvation because of not realizing that God has permitted man to consume meat.

Though at first man was only to eat vegetation. After the fall of man and especially after the flood, God expanded the human diet to include flesh.

It is completely vain for you to try to make me feel condemned for eating meat. You are wasting energy and time to do so.

Countries that will not submit to God's ordinance that now they may eat meat often are filled with starvation.

In a sense by teaching what you teach you are a murderer of your fellow human beings.

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The Bible does not have true spiritual knowledge but presents error by falsely teaching how God is suppose to have one son.
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I already corrected that error of yours in a previous post.

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These errors come about because the Bible has been fabricated by unauthorized persons trying to turn the man Jesus into a Superman by attributing false qualities to this person.
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False.

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This is why they falsely teach that this man Jesus rose from the grave.
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Sure Christ rose from the dead. He demonstrated that the uncreated life of God is indestructible.


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No dead body will ever rise from the grave.
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False. And in the end of days if you die, you too will stand up being raised from the dead.

At the judgment of the great white throne you too, even though you died, will be brought back to life to face judgment.

You are in for a bitter disappointment when the Son of God calls you forth and you come out of the tomb to face the Judge.

But you can be saved from that judgment if you believe in Christ as the One who died and rose for your redemption and salvation.

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However the soul of every living being does rise from the grave and this is called reincarnation .........but the Bible rejects this because the Bible is devoid of true knowledge.
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You are a fool to put your hope in that.

Whatever you hope you are going to come back to in another life will not be YOU.
You have no recollection of your supposed PAST lives.

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Any religion that does not speak out against animal slaughter is false.
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I do not need to make every animal a son of God in order to respect it. And your criticism is false anyway because the Bible speaks of kindness to beasts in at least one place that I know:

PROVERBS 12:10 - "A righteous man regards the life of his beast, But the inward parts of the wicked are cruel."

So here you have a passage in the Bible saying that a righteous man regards kindly his beast. So your charge is a lie, or at best an ignorant error.

As a Christian I can regard the life and needs of my beast with kindness without worshipping it, thinking it is a son of God, or refusing to eat meat.

I respect your beliefs but the word of God in the Bible is the truth. Your sacred scriptures may contain SOME truth but mixed with many demonic teachings.

That would include those which keep millions of people starving because they too highly regard the sacredness of meat.

The demons are trying to destroy man. And your meat worshipping religion is one tool in their arsenal to accomplish this destruction.

Originally posted by jaywill
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Every living being is a son of God.
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We do not need to proclaim that every living thing must be a son of God in order to respect living things.

That is a need you seem to have.

All living things have the created life. Not all living things have the uncreated ...[text shortened]... r meat worshipping religion is one tool in their arsenal to accomplish this destruction.[/b]

People are starving because the meat eaters are using the land to fatten millions of cows and they produce large quantities of grain with the land to feed these cows instead of using the land for agriculture.

The same land can feed 100 x times more persons if it was used for agriculture.

Persons starve because of mis management of resources and not because of their religion.

Every living being has the Lord within their heart known as the Super-soul.

Even Richard Dawkins has the Lord within.

Even Hitler has the Lord within.

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The Authority speaks

This is confirmed in the Bhagavad Gita Cht 8

TEXT 4

adhibhutam ksaro bhavah
purusas cadhidaivatam
adhiyajno 'ham evatra
dehe deha-bhrtam vara

SYNONYMS

adhibhutam--the physical manifestation; ksarah--constantly changing; bhavah--nature; purusah--the universal form; ca--and; adhidaivatam--including all demigods like the sun and moon; adhiyajnah--the Supersoul; aham--I (Krsna); eva--certainly; atra--in this; dehe--body; deha-bhrtam--of the embodied; vara--the Supreme.
TRANSLATION

Physical nature is known to be endlessly mutable. The universe is the cosmic form of the Supreme Lord, and I am that Lord represented as the Supersoul, dwelling in the heart of every embodied being.

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As you can see the Lord is within everyone,s heart as the Super-soul.

The Bible is not the authority never was and never will be because it teach falsity.

Your defence of killing for a religious person is abominable.

Originally posted by Dasa
People are starving because the meat eaters are using the land to fatten millions of cows and they produce large quantities of grain with the land to feed these cows instead of using the land for agriculture.

The same land can feed 100 x times more persons if it was used for agriculture.

Persons starve because of mis management of resources and not becaus ...[text shortened]... l be because it teach falsity.

Your defence of killing for a religious person is abominable.

You are correct in that assessment, but it may not be as simple as you think. We come from a long line of omnivores and have genetic predisposition to eating meat. The human population is at least 4 times too large to use the resources of the planet and it is only going to get worse. Don't worry. There will be a correction sometime in the next 200 years or so. Either a runaway hot world or an ice age, could go either way. Then the amount of meat eaters will be drastically reduced as the earth corrects its mistakes, brings the world population down to less than a billion like it should have been all along.

This has nothing to do with anyone's religion however. Simply up to the fundamental stupidity and greed of mankind as a whole.

You have meat eaters in India too as you well know, maybe as many as the entire population of the US, since you Indians reproduce like rabbits.

Hey, I may be the first to die from the coming correction but I am not going to go out pulling out hair and ripping off bits of clothing. If it happens it happens. The Earth will be better off for it. The rest of the animal world will certainly profit from the death of most of humanity.

Originally posted by Dasa
People are starving because the meat eaters are using the land to fatten millions of cows and they produce large quantities of grain with the land to feed these cows instead of using the land for agriculture.

The same land can feed 100 x times more persons if it was used for agriculture.

Persons starve because of mis management of resources and not becaus l be because it teach falsity.

Your defence of killing for a religious person is abominable.

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People are starving because the meat eaters are using the land to fatten millions of cows and they produce large quantities of grain with the land to feed these cows instead of using the land for agriculture.
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The millions of cows being fattened could also be eaten if it were not for your regarding the cows as sacred brothers.

Your religion forbids that meat be consumed. So teaching it you are killing people and trying to blame it on meat eaters.

Originally posted by Dasa
People are starving because the meat eaters are using the land to fatten millions of cows and they produce large quantities of grain with the land to feed these cows instead of using the land for agriculture.

The same land can feed 100 x times more persons if it was used for agriculture.

Persons starve because of mis management of resources and not becaus ...[text shortened]... l be because it teach falsity.

Your defence of killing for a religious person is abominable.

Dasa, what do you tell someone in the Sahara they can't eat meat? Where do you see the chance to grow veggies there?

What do you tell the Inuit in Alaska or northern Canada where they can't eat meat?

You see many veggies on a glacier?

If eating meat is against your religion and your religion has been around for billions of years what did you tell the Neanderthals and other early humans about eating meat then? Was it ok for them to have eaten meat in winter when there was no plants to eat?

Why didn't your religion tell them it was wrong to eat meat 120,000 years ago?

Why don't we see evidence of agriculture more than 12,000 years ago?

Why didn't your religion make it clear eating meat was forbidden back then?

Its all well and good for you to be vegetarian in a verdant land in the tropics where plants outnumber animals but you can't expect people to believe being vegetarian is some kind of religious edict. That is entirely a manmade construct.

Your claim that humans have been around for billions of years is pure poppycock, just about the most stupid claim I have heard in my entire life.

So where are the fossils from these billion year old humans?

What would they have eaten if not animals when there was no vegetation a billion years ago?

Talk about screwy ideas, that one doesn't even make it to the level of ludicrous.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Dasa, what do you tell someone in the Sahara they can't eat meat? Where do you see the chance to grow veggies there?

What do you tell the Inuit in Alaska or northern Canada where they can't eat meat?

You see many veggies on a glacier?

If eating meat is against your religion and your religion has been around for billions of years what did you tell ...[text shortened]... ago?

Talk about screwy ideas, that one doesn't even make it to the level of ludicrous.

In India there are persons (yogis) who live in the mountains the Himalayas and they are not meat eaters.

If someone is found to be in some remote area of the planet where there is no dirt then they may eat what ever they need to survive.

98% of all persons on the planet can find dirt.

If they can grow food for their cattle they can grow food.

If someone does not have good karma and finds themselves along with wife and children living on top of a glacier.......they can move.

To be informed about religious principles a person must seek this knowledge especially in this age but in previous ages the principles of religion where commonly known by all persons..........but as time marches on the world becomes more atheistic and persons do not even care for religious principle and reject them anyway.

You have witnessed persons even in this forum defending animal slaughter to their last breath.

This is the last age of this earth ( Kali Yuga) but before that there were different ages, and before that there was a partial annihilation of the universe which disturbs the crust and changes the strata and everything within............this gives modern science false readings of the age of the earth and the stuff they find within it.

Even without the partial annihilation of the universe....... the earth goes through changes of its own including comets, ice ages, volcanic activities, earthquakes and continents drifting apart so the time line for the investigations of the science persons are disturbed.

When they dig the earth to study bones do they dig down 2 kilometres or more?..........they have only scratched the surface and not even in all places.

The modern scientific findings are getting their data from after the universe had experienced its last partial annihilation.

Archaeological finds have discovered human remains dating back to the time of the dinosaurs but the evolutionary people hide this information from us.

Evolutionary persons do not publicize anything that does not support their evolution. ( the book Forbidden Archaeology reveals all this.)

From Vedic knowledge on-line......Harekrsna.cz
One example from the many that could be cited to demonstrate the operation of linear progressive preconceptions in the editing of the archaeological record is the case of the auriferous gravel finds in California. During the days of the California Gold Rush, starting in the 1850s, miners discovered many anatomically modern human bones and advanced stone implements in mineshafts sunk deeply into deposits of gold-bearing gravel capped by thick lava flows (Whitney 1880). The gravels beneath the lava were from 9 to 55 million years old, according to modern geological reports (Slemmons 1966). These discoveries were reported to the world of science by J. D. Whitney, state geologist of California, in a monograph published by the Peabody Museum of Natural History at Harvard University. From the evidence he compiled, Whitney came to a non-progressivist view of human origins - the fossil evidence he reported indicated that the humans of the distant past were like those of the present. (this paragraph is a cut and paste from the internet)


Each yuga cycle is composed of 4 yugas. The first, the Satya-yuga lasts 4800 years of the demigods. The second, the Treta-yuga, lasts 3600 years of the demigods. The third, the Dvapara-yuga, lasts 2400 years of the demigods. And the fourth, Kali-yuga, lasts 1200 years of the demigods (Bhagavata Purana 3.11.19). Since the demigod year is equivalent to 360 earth years (Bhaktivedanta Swami 1973, p. 102), the lengths of the yugas in earth years are, according to standard Vaishnava commentaries, 432,000 years for the Kali-yuga, 864,000 years for the Dvapara-yuga, 1,296,000 years for the Treta-yuga, and 1,728,000 years for the Satya-yuga. This gives a total of 4,320,000 years for the entire yuga cycle. One thousand of such cycles, lasting 4,320,000,000 years, comprises one day of Brahma, the demigod who governs this universe. A day of Brahma is also called a kalpa. Each of Brahma's nights lasts a similar period of time. Life is only manifest on earth during the day of Brahma. With the onset of Brahma's night, the entire universe is devastated and plunged into darkness. When another day of Brahma begins, life again becomes manifest.

Each day of Brahma is divided into 14 manvatara periods, each one lasting 71 yuga cycles. Preceding the first and following each manvatara period is a juncture (sandhya) the length of a Satya-yuga (1,728,000) years. Typically, each manvantara period ends with a partial devastation. According to Puranic accounts, we are now in the twenty-eight yuga cycle of the seventh manvatara period of the present day of Brahma. This would give the inhabited earth an age of 2.3 billion years. Interestingly enough, the oldest undisputed organisms recognised by palaeontologists - algae fossils such as those from the Gunflint formation in Canada - are just about that old (Stewart 1983, p. 30). Altogether, 524 yuga cycles have elapsed since this day of Brahma began. Each yuga cycle involves a progression from a golden age of peace and spiritual progress to a final age of violence and spiritual degradation. At the end of each Kali-yuga, the earth is practically depopulated.

Originally posted by Dasa
In India there are persons (yogis) who live in the mountains the Himalayas and they are not meat eaters.

If someone is found to be in some remote area of the planet where there is no dirt then they may eat what ever they need to survive.

98% of all persons on the planet can find dirt.

If they can grow food for their cattle they can grow food.

If som ...[text shortened]... and spiritual degradation. At the end of each Kali-yuga, the earth is practically depopulated.

Archaeological finds have discovered human remains dating back to the time of the dinosaurs but the evolutionary people hide this information from us.

Show me links to that conspiracy. How many archaeologists are involved in this conspiracy? Do you have names? Every archaeologist on earth is directly involved? Are we talking about a specific university? What?

If an archaeologist found bones that deep, that person would make a huge name for himself, maybe get the archaeological equivalent of the Nobel Prize.

If I was an archaeologist, I would not hesitate to put a proven case before the world to rattle the cages of the present dogma. I think any archaeologist would do the same.

Oil rigs drill way more than 2 km deep and no human fossils have been dug up by them.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Archaeological finds have discovered human remains dating back to the time of the dinosaurs but the evolutionary people hide this information from us.

Show me links to that conspiracy. How many archaeologists are involved in this conspiracy? Do you have names? Every archaeologist on earth is directly involved? Are we talking about a specific university? ...[text shortened]... same.

Oil rigs drill way more than 2 km deep and no human fossils have been dug up by them.

The answers you seek are in the book Forbidden Archaeology.............and why is the book titled Forbidden?

Because what you will find in this book is forbidden for persons to know.

Get real..........oil rigs are not looking for bones and the hole they drill is no more than 2 feet wide.

Archaeological sites are thousands of meters across.

Why do you fight learning something?

Its as if you don't want to know...... and are doing everything possible to not know.

Actually this is how dishonest science behaves all the time........they close their eyes and block their ears.

Its the same as dishonest religion............ they fight to defend killing and refuse to listen to why it is forbidden.

Its all dishonest.

Originally posted by Dasa
The answers you seek are in the book Forbidden Archaeology.............and why is the book titled Forbidden?

Because what you will find in this book is forbidden for persons to know.

Get real..........oil rigs are not looking for bones and the hole they drill is no more than 2 feet wide.

Archaeological sites are thousands of meters across.

Why do yo ...[text shortened]... they fight to defend killing and refuse to listen to why it is forbidden.

Its all dishonest.

If I'd paid for a subscription just to troll, I'd be more imaginative than you numbnuts.

Originally posted by divegeester
If I'd paid for a subscription just to troll, I'd be more imaginative than you numbnuts.

This is the character of the Christian person......... fingers in the ears and eyes closed tight and defending animal killing in the name of religion.

Not satisfied with that they accept any nonsense as long as it is within the pages of the Bible or Quaran.

The Bible/Quaran is not the word of God.

There is too much falsity in the Bible/Quaran for it to be the word of God.

Here is some falsity from the Bible.......

1. Thou shalt not kill means thou shalt kill abundantly anything that moves.

2. the eternal soul is not eternal.

3. each person has only one life to decide their eternal future in heaven or hell.

4. Infinite God enjoys a good chat about politics and burnt offerings with Moses.

5. Each person does not have to behave properly and stop sinning because your sins are taken away if you shout the name of Jesus.

6. Blood blood blood and more blood is the way to a loving relationship with Jesus.

7. The rotting dead bodies in the grave shall one day jump up and walk away.

8. The man Jesus who bled to death and suffered terribly actually is also the one and only infinite God creator of heaven and earth as well..

9. God suffers just like you.

10. The Bible compilers were pure and enlightened and honest without any tinge of ignorance.

11. Any living creature that does not have two legs and two arms does not have a soul. (so eat it)

12. The infinite eternal God only decided to give mankind spiritual knowledge a few thousand years ago......and before that he did not think to do so.

13. The infinite eternal God can be completely explained in one book......one book covers everything.

14. You cannot do anything to help yourself in becoming pure.....so don't change your ways, don't follow religious principles, don't stop sinning, don't study the spiritual teachings and follow their instructions............just go to confession again and again and again and again for your atonement from a animal killing clergy.

There is much more but when will persons who are serious about their spirituality become honest?

Originally posted by Dasa
This is the character of the Christian person......... fingers in the ears and eyes closed tight and defending animal killing in the name of religion.

Not satisfied with that they accept any nonsense as long as it is within the pages of the Bible or Quaran.

The Bible/Quaran is not the word of God.

There is too much falsity in the Bible/Quaran for it to ...[text shortened]... e is much more but when will persons who are serious about their spirituality become honest?

Lighten up will ya ffs its Friday!

Originally posted by jaywill
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People are starving because the meat eaters are using the land to fatten millions of cows and they produce large quantities of grain with the land to feed these cows instead of using the land for agriculture.
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The millions of cows being fattened could also be eaten if it were ...[text shortened]... t meat be consumed. So teaching it you are killing people and trying to blame it on meat eaters.[/b]

You miss the point.

The millions of cows are eaten...... but it takes so much land to feed these cattle that it is an economic disaster.

It is an economic disaster because the same land as I have just said can feed 100 x more people if used for agriculture.

Your constant defence of a wrong thing to call it a right thing is dishonest.

Originally posted by Dasa
You miss the point.

The millions of cows are eaten...... but it takes so much land to feed these cattle that it is an economic disaster.

It is an economic disaster because the same land as I have just said can feed 100 x more people if used for agriculture.

Your constant defence of a wrong thing to call it a right thing is dishonest.

You forget that tribes like the Plains Indians of the 19th and earlier centuries in the US use the buffalo for more than just meat. They also honored the spirit of the buffalo when they killed them and used the skins and bones, in short, all of the animal.

Also Inuits in Alaska and Canada in winter cannot grow any kind of crop except maybe moss which they make into tea, and so depend on whaling and fishing for food.

Originally posted by sonhouse
You forget that tribes like the Plains Indians of the 19th and earlier centuries in the US use the buffalo for more than just meat. They also honored the spirit of the buffalo when they killed them and used the skins and bones, in short, all of the animal.

Also Inuits in Alaska and Canada in winter cannot grow any kind of crop except maybe moss which they make into tea, and so depend on whaling and fishing for food.

We are in the Kali Yuga and everything in this age is inauspicious.

In past ages when the Vedic society flourished persons where not forced to live in uninhabitable areas.

In this age of Kali which started 5000 yrs ago everyone now has bad karma and find themselves living in undesirable conditions.

If someone is forced to eat meat then they have created that situation for themselves from past activities.

Not to worry about you though...............you can be a vegetarian when ever you desire.

Most persons can change their conditions.

Originally posted by Dasa
You miss the point.

The millions of cows are eaten...... but it takes so much land to feed these cattle that it is an economic disaster.

It is an economic disaster because the same land as I have just said can feed 100 x more people if used for agriculture.

Your constant defence of a wrong thing to call it a right thing is dishonest.

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Your constant defence of a wrong thing to call it a right thing is dishonest.
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You trust in yourself that you are honest ?

You're only honestly deceived.