Bible translations, "Satan", and divisiveness

@philokalia said
People can become Christians through a large variety of means that don't involve the Nicene creed, yes, lol.

What was with all the pretentious wriggling, then?

@philokalia said
However, anyone who denies the contexts of the Nicene creed is not a Christian in the conventional sense of the word.

So what?

@fmf said
What was with all the pretentious wriggling, then?

I was pointing out how it's an irrelevant question.

Would you like to contend its relevance?

@fmf said
So what?

Of course you wouldn't recognize the significance of it.

@philokalia said
I was pointing out how it's an irrelevant question.

It is not "an irrelevant question".

@philokalia said
Of course you wouldn't recognize the significance of it.

I think it is you ~ as partisan, groupist, propagandist, appeal-to-"expert Saints" Christian, ~ who is unable to recognize the significance of the far less 'peephole thing' I am saying about belief in Jesus.

It is your prerogative, of course, to support the particular branch of corporate Christianity [the Greek Orthodox Church, right, which you have relatively recently "joined", right?] that you just so happen to have stumbled upon and to spend your time talking about "heresy" on the internet.

@philokalia said
Oh, so we are supposed to believe in Christ... but we are not supposed to believe in St. Paul.

So how can we accept the Gospels that were recorded for us as legitimate, if we are to be suspect of what St. Paul stated there?

I notice you ignored the questions : What did Paul say a couple chapters later in Ephesians about who inherits the kingdom of God? Are the saved by grace Christians in the kingdom?

You cannot derive the truth by cherrypicking.. If your beloved Nicene Creed supports your doctrine then it is not worth a damn thing.

In almost every one of Pauls letters, there is s discussion on faith and the saving grace of God through faith in Christ. "Saved by Grace, does not automatically mean eternal life in the Kingdom of God, because Paul states categorically that there will be no inheritance in the Kingdom of God without good works and righteousness.

Do you realise that? Why then are you ignoring Paul?

@rajk999 said
I notice you ignored the questions : What did Paul say a couple chapters later in Ephesians about who inherits the kingdom of God? Are the saved by grace Christians in the kingdom?

You cannot derive the truth by cherrypicking.. If your beloved Nicene Creed supports your doctrine then it is not worth a damn thing.

In almost every one of Pauls letters, there ...[text shortened]... of God without good works and righteousness.

Do you realise that? Why then are you ignoring Paul?

Good works and righteousness naturally come from the faith, sure.

But then, let's go back to the concept of faith: why would someone who consciously rejects Christ and is consciously faithless be Saved?

@philokalia said
Good works and righteousness naturally come from the faith, sure.

Wrong. Show me where the Bible says this Good works and righteousness naturally come from the faith, . .

If this were the case then Jesus would have said it, He did not.
Paul would have said it. He did not. Instead Paul warned these very same born again Christian Saints [clearly of faith] there there is no inheritance int he Kingdom of God unless they do good works and live righteously. Obviously good works and righterousness does not naturally come from faith.
James likewise would not have said faith without works is dead. It would be a foregone conclusion [like you are doing] that faith leads to works.

Faith and Works are two separate and independent things. One can exist without the other. In the story of the Good Samairtan. The faithful priest and Levite did not do the good works. The one without the faith did it. The works gains eternal life in the Kingdom of God. Professing of faith by itself is worthless.

Your doctrine Good works and righteousness naturally come from the faith, sure. , is a lie and and it is the core of the false teachings in Christian churches.

@philokalia said
let's go back to the concept of faith: why would someone who consciously rejects Christ and is consciously faithless be Saved?

Faith is simply a profession with the mouth that one believes.
Alone it is worthless

No faith and no works = damnation
Faith and no works = damnation
Faith + works = eternal life
Works alone = eternal life

Jesus and all the Apostles said so.
I dont think you know what consciously rejecting Christ means.

@rajk999 said
Faith is simply a profession with the mouth that one believes.
Alone it is worthless

No faith and no works = damnation
Faith and no works = damnation
Faith + works = eternal life
Works alone = eternal life

Jesus and all the Apostles said so.
I dont think you know what consciously rejecting Christ means.

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Works alone without faith = nothing.

Ephesians 2:8,9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

By grace through faith without works = Salvation

But Rajk has a lot to boast about doesn't he?

@philokalia said
Good works and righteousness naturally come from the faith, sure.

Except when it does not.