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    After the flood Babel "later Babylon" was the beginning of false religion. Gen 10:8-10. Dan 5:22, 23.
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    Some teachings that originated there:

    Trinity or triad of Gods.

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/esp_sumer_annunaki12c.htm

    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Anu

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anu

    http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Enlil.htm

    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Mesopotamian_mythology

    http://www.bible-history.com/babylonia/BabyloniaReligion_of_the_Ancient_Near_Eas.htm

    http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/Contents/doctrine/The%20Origin%20of%20the%20Trinity.htm

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_was_the_ancient_god_of_Babylon
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    More teachings that originated there:

    Idolatry......

    http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/249

    http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/babylon.html

    http://dictionary.babylon.com/idol

    http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2009/01/The-Prophetse28099-Knowledge-of-Contemporary-Idolatry.aspx

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/bakers-evangelical-dictionary/babylon.html
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    OK...... so explain this in your own words.
    The early Christians referred to Rome and the Roman empire as Babylon.
    Any system that is against God is Babylon.



    Manny
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    I have addressed all these points.
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    03 Mar '10 08:38
    Originally posted by menace71
    OK...... so explain this in your own words.
    The early Christians referred to Rome and the Roman empire as Babylon.
    Any system that is against God is Babylon.



    Manny
    Your getting close....
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    03 Mar '10 08:39
    Originally posted by Conrau K
    I have addressed all these points.
    Ok....
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    03 Mar '10 09:53
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Ok....
    Yes, in fact I have address many other points you have raised, such as the practice of confession in the early church to which you failed to give any respond (I bet you couldn't track down any Watchtower article which could answer my arguments.) This latest whore-of-Babylon argument is nothing but old Protestant claptrap. You have merely inherited a five hundred year prejudice.
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    03 Mar '10 17:451 edit
    Originally posted by Conrau K
    Yes, in fact I have address many other points you have raised, such as the practice of confession in the early church to which you failed to give any respond (I bet you couldn't track down any Watchtower article which could answer my arguments.) This latest whore-of-Babylon argument is nothing but old Protestant claptrap. You have merely inherited a five hundred year prejudice.
    OK..what are you worried about then if none of this applies to you or your church?
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    03 Mar '10 17:47
    Originally posted by menace71
    OK...... so explain this in your own words.
    The early Christians referred to Rome and the Roman empire as Babylon.
    Any system that is against God is Babylon.



    Manny
    What do you think Babylon the Great is?
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    Chapter 17 of Revelation speaks of religious Babylon. Chapter 18 of Revelation speaks of material Babylon.

    Religious Babylon I believe refers to the Roman Catholic system. But before anyone gloats that Protestantism is altogether exempt from the symbol read again.

    It says that the personage riding the beast is the mother of harlots. That would indicate that she has spawned off others like her. The mother is the Roman Catholic Church. The daughters that have come out of her are the divisions of the Protestant Christianity.

    Once again, the mother of harlots I believe is the Roman Catholic Church. The daughters of the mother are the denominations of Protestantism.

    So much for religious Babylon in chapter 17. (Well not quite that simple as you will see). Material Babylon in chapter 18 I believe is the city of Rome. And in the whole book there is some overlap of the religious and material Babylon so that it is difficult to totally systematize the matter.

    Before ending this post, God tells His people to come out of Babylon. That indicates that His people, His saints, true believers in Christ are held captive in her. So my post does not mean religious Babylon does not contain the saints of God. Quite the contrary. They are held there and are called to come forth from her.

    The meaning of course would be that in the Roman Catholic Church there are many saints of God. And when I say saints I mean Christians, nothing more and nothing less.

    That should be enough to get me in trouble. Comments?
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    03 Mar '10 20:54
    Originally posted by jaywill
    Chapter 17 of Revelation speaks of religious Babylon. Chapter 18 of Revelation speaks of material Babylon.

    Religious Babylon I believe refers to the Roman Catholic system. But before anyone gloats that Protestantism is altogether exempt from the symbol read again.

    It says that the personage riding the beast is the mother of harlots. That would in ...[text shortened]... tians, nothing more and nothing less.

    That should be enough to get me in trouble. Comments?
    Your getting close but yes you will hear about this from our Catholic friends...
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    03 Mar '10 21:061 edit
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Your getting close but yes you will hear about this from our Catholic friends...
    I am not getting "close" to any Russellite Jehovah's Witnesses theology.

    Babylon is really more of a state than a place. You can leave Babylon but it will not leave you that easily.

    Babylon is something in our blood it seems, not easy to get rid of. And I don't think the Jehovah's Witnesses have even gotten started.

    You're Christology is terrible.
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    03 Mar '10 21:18
    Originally posted by jaywill
    I am not getting "close" to any Russellite Jehovah's Witnesses theology.

    Babylon is really more of a state than a place. You can leave Babylon but it will not leave you that easily.

    Babylon is something in our blood it seems, not easy to get rid of. And I don't think the Jehovah's Witnesses have even gotten started.

    You're Christology is terrible.
    According to who's theories?
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    03 Mar '10 21:302 edits
    Originally posted by galveston75
    According to who's theories?
    i know, you think they could just stick to the material under discussion without the unnecessary insults. Perhaps prejudice is so deeply ingrained that it takes generations to eradicate it. Perhaps it never will be.
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