27 Jul '09 13:09>
In the "Islam is Foul" thread [threadid]116706[threadid] josephw makes the following claim:
Originally posted by josephw
It has never been proven by anyone, including anyone eminently more qualified than anyone posting in this forum, that the Bible is false or contradictory in anyway. The Bible clearly makes the claim that it is what it is. TRUTH.
Clearly there is some serious miscommunication going.
I would like to know who agrees with josephw.
I would also like to know what you understand in the above claim to be meant by:
1. Contradictory.
2. "The Bible".
3. Proven.
At face value, if I take "The Bible" to mean a printed copy in English which is obviously translated from other languages, then I can pick out quite a number of verses which are undeniably contradictory. In past discussions there have been various defenses for these obvious and undeniable contradictions. The defenses include:
1. "The Bible" only refers to the original text to which we are not privy. The available versions contain copying or translation errors.
2. The contradiction is contained in quoted text and therefore does not count. eg where the Gospels differ, it is taken that the story is taken from eye witnesses and thus is quoted information and not required to be accurate.
I still find it interesting however that people frequently blatantly make the claim as josephw did without qualifying it with an explanation of what is really meant. At face value it is clearly false as I am sure josephw is fully aware - so why doesn't he qualify it up front?
Originally posted by josephw
It has never been proven by anyone, including anyone eminently more qualified than anyone posting in this forum, that the Bible is false or contradictory in anyway. The Bible clearly makes the claim that it is what it is. TRUTH.
Clearly there is some serious miscommunication going.
I would like to know who agrees with josephw.
I would also like to know what you understand in the above claim to be meant by:
1. Contradictory.
2. "The Bible".
3. Proven.
At face value, if I take "The Bible" to mean a printed copy in English which is obviously translated from other languages, then I can pick out quite a number of verses which are undeniably contradictory. In past discussions there have been various defenses for these obvious and undeniable contradictions. The defenses include:
1. "The Bible" only refers to the original text to which we are not privy. The available versions contain copying or translation errors.
2. The contradiction is contained in quoted text and therefore does not count. eg where the Gospels differ, it is taken that the story is taken from eye witnesses and thus is quoted information and not required to be accurate.
I still find it interesting however that people frequently blatantly make the claim as josephw did without qualifying it with an explanation of what is really meant. At face value it is clearly false as I am sure josephw is fully aware - so why doesn't he qualify it up front?