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Spirituality

  1. Standard member RBHILL
    Acts 13:48
    20 Aug '17 15:21
    https://odb.org/1994/02/18/hatreds-bitter-fruit/

    One of the worst cases of hatred I have ever come across is found in a will written in 1935 by a Mr. Donohoe. It says, “Unto my two daughters, Frances Marie and Denise Victoria, by reason of their unfilial attitude toward a doting father, . . . I leave the sum of $1.00 to each and a father’s curse. May their lives be fraught with misery, unhappiness, and poignant sorrow. May their deaths be soon and of a lingering malignant and torturous nature.” The last line of the will is so vicious I shudder to quote it. It reads, “May their souls rest in hell and suffer the torments of the condemned for eternity.”

    Such utter contempt didn’t develop in a day. It had to grow over a long period of time. We should never allow our minds to become fertile soil for the seeds of hatred. We would do ourselves a world of good by heeding the words of Paul, “Do not let the sun go down on your wrath” (Eph. 4:26). And James gave wise counsel when he told us to “be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God” (1:19-20).

    Let’s not forget that “whoever hates his brother is a murderer” (1 John 3:15). How important it is, therefore, never to nurture hatred’s bitter fruit!

    When angry feelings go unchecked,
    They’ll mushroom into hate;
    So don’t let time feed bitterness—
    Forgiveness must not wait. —Sper
  2. 20 Aug '17 15:26
    Originally posted by @rbhill
    https://odb.org/1994/02/18/hatreds-bitter-fruit/

    One of the worst cases of hatred I have ever come across is found in a will written in 1935 by a Mr. Donohoe. It says, “Unto my two daughters, Frances Marie and Denise Victoria, by reason of their unfilial attitude toward a doting father, . . . I leave the sum of $1.00 to each and a father’s curse. May thei ...[text shortened]... ll mushroom into hate;
    So don’t let time feed bitterness—
    Forgiveness must not wait. —Sper
    The curse could be justified.
  3. Standard member Ghost of a Duke
    Zen Master
    20 Aug '17 20:05
    Originally posted by @eladar
    The curse could be justified.
    Which part of Christian forgiveness are you struggling with sir?
  4. 20 Aug '17 20:26
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Which part of Christian forgiveness are you struggling with sir?
    Christian forgiveness? Why is it evil to curse a person who deserves it?

    In the end, the curse is not of us, it is of God. Nothing we can wish has any outcome on the future. We can only petition God to take vengeance for us.
  5. Standard member sonship
    the corrected one.
    20 Aug '17 22:35 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Christian forgiveness? Why is it evil to curse a person who deserves it?

    In the end, the curse is not of us, it is of God. Nothing we can wish has any outcome on the future. We can only petition God to take vengeance for us.
    We can only petition God to take vengeance for us.


    In the last days because wickedness abounds the love of men will grow cold.
    You manifest this with this attitude.

    Did Stephen pray for his stoners to be judged or did he ask God not to hold that crime against them ?

    Don't tell me. Stephen was a libtard. Right?

    " And they stoned Stephen as he called upon the Lord and said, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

    And kneeling down, he cried out with a loud voice, Lord, do not hold this sin against them.

    And when he had said this, he fell asleep." (Acts 7:59,60)


    Am I saying " Go now and LEGALLY imitate the same thing." ?
    No.

    But this is the example the Holy Spirit wanted to give us of the first Christian martyr.
    Don't you think God intended us to be impressed with the example?

    It is not a matter of doing the same legally.
    It is a matter of a goal toward which to live in hope.
    Christ STOOD as the first Christian was so murdered for his faith.

    Maybe others died calling out of God to judge their enemies.
    But they are not the examples that the Spirit of God included in the record of Acts.

    Stephen died by the hands of his persecutors as Jesus did - praying for God to forgive the opposers.

    Jesus had taught to bless and not curse our enemies.

    What credit is it to love only those who love you ?
    What special are you doing by that ?
  6. Standard member sonship
    the corrected one.
    20 Aug '17 22:36 / 3 edits
    Matt. 5:44

    New American Standard Bible

    "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

    King James Bible
    But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    Holman Christian Standard Bible
    But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

    I fully expect you to push back by supplying passages about vindication against the enemies of God's saints

    I reserve the right to believe BOTH kinds of teachings.
    I reserve the right to believe there is the right thing to do at the right time with the right attitude. I don't need to say prayers for vindication and judgment make forgiveness prayers not the will of God. Nor the other way around.

    The exhortation of Romans 12:14

    American King James Version
    Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

    American Standard Version
    Bless them that persecute you; bless, and curse not.

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    Bless them that persecute you: bless, and curse not.


    I do not want to be legal about it.
    But I do want to be conformed to the image of Christ in all things.
    Don't you ?
  7. 20 Aug '17 22:41
    Originally posted by @sonship
    [b]Matt. 5:44
    [quote]
    New American Standard Bible

    "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

    King James Bible
    But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    Holman Christian ...[text shortened]... egal about it.
    But I do want to be conformed to the image of Christ in all things.
    Don't you ?
    Go to hell.
  8. Standard member sonship
    the corrected one.
    20 Aug '17 23:17 / 1 edit
    Elader -

    Go to hell.


    This thread is called -
    Bitterness -

    Unfortunately we have a real example from Elader.
  9. Standard member RBHILL
    Acts 13:48
    20 Aug '17 23:27 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @sonship
    Elader -

    Go to hell.


    This thread is called -
    [b]Bitterness
    -

    Unfortunately we have a real example from Elader.[/b]
    True that!


    Sunship have you seen the movie silence with Liam Neeson yet? Even though he's in about 20 minutes of a 2 1/2 hour movie almost.
  10. 20 Aug '17 23:34
    Originally posted by @sonship
    Elader -

    Go to hell.


    This thread is called -
    [b]Bitterness
    -

    Unfortunately we have a real example from Elader.[/b]
    Why is making an obvious observation bitterness?
  11. Standard member karoly aczel
    Goin in dry bro
    21 Aug '17 00:17 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @sonship
    Elader -

    Go to hell.


    This thread is called -
    [b]Bitterness
    -

    Unfortunately we have a real example from Elader.[/b]
    I'd check it out if it was real.


    You're one funny guy

    edit: response to eladar ..
  12. 21 Aug '17 00:26
    Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
    I'd check it out if it was real.


    You're one funny guy

    edit: response to eladar ..
    I'm sure you will see it first hand. Of course all those who follow in your footsteps will join you.
  13. Standard member sonship
    the corrected one.
    21 Aug '17 00:34 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
    You're one funny guy


    As funny as I am to you, somehow, you never seem that cheery to me about it.
    How come, your post leave me with the feeling wanting you to "cheer up" ?
  14. Standard member sonship
    the corrected one.
    21 Aug '17 00:38 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Why is making an obvious observation bitterness?
    Huh?

    Man are you "liberal" in your reading comprehension.
    A command - " Go to hell," is not an observation but a command.

    Where did you learn to read English ?
  15. 21 Aug '17 00:41
    Originally posted by @sonship
    Huh?

    Man are you "liberal" in your reading comprehension.
    A command - " Go to hell," is not an observation but a command.

    Where did you learn to read English ?
    I figured You will was implied.