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Cain and Abel 2.0

Cain and Abel 2.0

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Not on man's part it wasn't. It was Lucifer who was full of pride and unbelief.

Adam was innocent. That means not guilty. But he disobeyed, and that is what caused the fall.

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The account is clear. Your interpretation is faulty.

Adam was innocent. He disobeyed. That was his first mistake.

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"...pride in his own judgment and the resultant action was his disobedience."

How you glean from the scripture that Adam had pride and that that is what caused him to disobey is beyond me.

How can an innocent have pride?

Other than Adam's own words "it was the woman you gave me" that he used as an excuse for his disobedience, I can find no reason for it.

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Some how we're misunderstanding each other.

I agree. Adam is to blame. Not Eve.

No, I don't think Adam's transgression was accidental, but it wasn't because of sin that Adam disobeyed. Adam was without sin until he disobeyed.

Why on earth did Adam disobey? I honestly don't know.

Eve, as we know, was "beguiled", but Adam wasn't. He knew what the consequences would be, but chose to disobey anyway. Why? I don't know.

I can find nothing concrete about "why" Adam disobeyed in the account in the scriptures. Only that he did, and then found himself naked and exposed.

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You may be right.

I'll look at it more closely.


In the mean time, I think we just hijacked this thread. 😉

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Because basically I think that the authors I quoted are essentially conveying the same message as the Genesis story (or at least what I interpret it to be). They just tell it in very different ways. I don't think the stories were intended to be taken literally. They were understood to be poetic devices for conveying some basic truths.

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Originally posted by josephw
What is at the heart of the fall was it's cause. Disobedience.

What you state are the effects. And I would agree.
What caused The Fall was the inability of an expanding population to continue living as hunter-gatherers. Agriculture, private property, and civil society became necessary evils which resulted in The Fall. Jesus' message was about retaining the advantages of civilization while recapturing mankind's primeval innocence from before The Fall.

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What an impoverished viewpoint.

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